Yeah, don't underestimate the Netti lids, they are great value. They even do a carbon job now, not too sure what it's like though. The AXN is a really nice helmet though.bazza said:buy a tld helmet. only 600-700 bucks. thats unreal for a bloody helmet. i have a nice netti one. they are reccomended. saved me sooo many times. if it was a xc lid. ie my other helmet it would be toast and i would have a broken jaw. several times over.