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gregb
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True, but if enough people start individually not doing them, then it will make a start on CC.
Minlak
custom titis
The amount people do and care is directly proportional to the amount of inconvenience they are prepared to put up with.
could you live without a TV? - could you live with out a car? - What about air con?
I find most people that preach about climate control to be massive hypocrites.
could you live without a TV? - could you live with out a car? - What about air con?
I find most people that preach about climate control to be massive hypocrites.
Oddjob
Merry fucking Xmas to you assholes
This is the beauty of carbon pricing. You don't have to make big sacrifices, just lots of little ones you barely notice.
Ultimately I'm still certain we are on a path to:
- Geo-engineering to buy time.
- Lots and lots of renewables supplemented by lots and lots of small scale nuclear.
- Excess energy from 2. used to run giant microwaves that turn CO2 into micro diamonds.
- Use micro diamonds to make highly reflective roads and roofing materials.
How do you pay for it? Holy shit there's this thing called carbon pricing...
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hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
I assume you mean "change" not control?
Presenting climate science results in hypocrisy? I try to discuss climate science on here, keeping it on the agenda.
As @Oddjob's stated, carbon pricing (especially the fee & dividend model) should be adopted everywhere immediately. At least the EU has had the ballz to do so:
I fear that acting with this model only at this point in time will be too late to address the issue meaningfully though. Science suggests we need to move to immediate rationing & a WW2-like reformation of society.
It's something we can & should tolerate. We are tolerating being locked in our homes for the last year!
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
We did that already. Apparently it was ruining the weekend or something. I’m still waiting for my $550 Tony….
hifiandmtb
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No we didn't. Tax does not equal price does not equal fee & dividend.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
We didn’t have a carbon tax - it was a carbon price. Subtle but important difference.
hifiandmtb
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So subtle. So important. CC needs more subtlety.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Now what’s your problem? I just said the CPM Australia had was exactly the sort of system Hansen was proposing…
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
It was not the same as that proposed in Hansen's presentation, there are major differences in the application.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
It basically is, a national version of it at least.
The large producers of emissions were charged per tonne of co2-e, and the money raised went to low income people to offset their increased costs and it went to supporting emissions reductions - funding for ARENA for example.
It was remarkably effective at driving emissions reductions despite its short life and not having a chance to ramp up from its low introductory price. It was a net positive to the economy too.
hifiandmtb
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Hansen's version is different in many ways, these being two:
ossfoundation.us
The govt can never be allowed to dip into the collection, and it can't be a tiered approach. Makes way more sense to me.
- Money collected stays out of the govt coffers, all goes to the citizens
- All citizens get the same payment
Fee & 100% Dividend — OSS Foundation
The “Carbon Fee & 100% Dividend” presented by Dr. James Hansen has the best potential to initiate cause and effect that will lower CO2 emissions. Fee and dividend is the policy complement that must accompany recognition of fossil carbon reservoir sizes for strategic solution of global warming...
The govt can never be allowed to dip into the collection, and it can't be a tiered approach. Makes way more sense to me.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Sure. And will never ever happen. The reality based version is what we had - the economy and society benefits from the direct support and from the lowering of emissions.Hansen's version is different in many ways, these being two:
- Money collected stays out of the govt coffers, all goes to the citizens
- All citizens get the same payment
Fee & 100% Dividend — OSS Foundation
The “Carbon Fee & 100% Dividend” presented by Dr. James Hansen has the best potential to initiate cause and effect that will lower CO2 emissions. Fee and dividend is the policy complement that must accompany recognition of fossil carbon reservoir sizes for strategic solution of global warming...
The govt can never be allowed to dip into the collection, and it can't be a tiered approach. Makes way more sense to me.
Government coffers is the public money, at least mostly and in theory and when not corrupted… But the CPM was closer to the ideal than most. It was good, really good and we should be proud of it.
hifiandmtb
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So proud. Look where Straya is now.
www.theguardian.com
We get what we really want.
Don't blame the Scomo govt. Blame the shitstain citizens who put them there. And I don't even blame the citizens - the lifelong brainwashing is difficult to counter.
Australia ranked worst of 57 countries on climate change policy
Thinktank report deems Morrison government ‘an increasingly regressive force’
www.theguardian.com
We get what we really want.
Don't blame the Scomo govt. Blame the shitstain citizens who put them there. And I don't even blame the citizens - the lifelong brainwashing is difficult to counter.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
I agree. It was a great policy instrument, too good for the bogan morons who got sucked into the crap that led to its abolition… Such a wasted opportunity.So proud. Look where Straya is now.
Australia ranked worst of 57 countries on climate change policy
Thinktank report deems Morrison government ‘an increasingly regressive force’
We get what we really want.
Don't blame the Scomo govt. Blame the shitstain citizens who put them there. And I don't even blame the citizens - the lifelong brainwashing is difficult to counter.
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
Failure is always an option, apparently:
www.theguardian.com
Mauna Loa sees all though.
‘A shocking failure’: Chevron criticised for missing carbon capture target at WA gas project
The Western Australian environment minister is seeking an explanation after the energy company fell short of its five-year target
www.theguardian.com
Mauna Loa sees all though.
hifiandmtb
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‘Reckless’: G20 states subsidised fossil fuels by $3tn since 2015, says report
Support for coal, oil and gas remains high despite pledges to tackle climate crisis
www.theguardian.com
Three. Trillion. Dollars.
This brought you your last affordable flight. Your last road trip. Your cheap power. Your ability to consume just about everything you consume.
Everything has a price.
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Was good for the share prices too yeah? Because dividends are tangible.‘Reckless’: G20 states subsidised fossil fuels by $3tn since 2015, says report
Support for coal, oil and gas remains high despite pledges to tackle climate crisis
Three. Trillion. Dollars.
This brought you your last affordable flight. Your last road trip. Your cheap power. Your ability to consume just about everything you consume.
Everything has a price.
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
Coalition believes it has numbers to stop Great Barrier Reef being listed as ‘in danger’
Exclusive: Diplomatic email suggests whirlwind lobbying trip by Sussan Ley has won over at least nine of 21 members on World Heritage Committee
www.theguardian.com
Scientists declare it fucked but Straya cunt pollies call it a political issue...