Plastic bags, climate change, renewable energy,

From a individual moral perspective you need to
measure how much of a climate chunt you
have been. Establish your expectations and live by them going forward. I am so far off track myself so yeah I consider my self a climate chunt.
 
The amount people do and care is directly proportional to the amount of inconvenience they are prepared to put up with.
could you live without a TV? - could you live with out a car? - What about air con?
I find most people that preach about climate control to be massive hypocrites.
 
Minlak said:
The amount people do and care is directly proportional to the amount of inconvenience they are prepared to put up with.
could you live without a TV? - could you live with out a car? - What about air con?
I find most people that preach about climate control to be massive hypocrites.
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This is the beauty of carbon pricing. You don't have to make big sacrifices, just lots of little ones you barely notice.

Ultimately I'm still certain we are on a path to:
  1. Geo-engineering to buy time.
  2. Lots and lots of renewables supplemented by lots and lots of small scale nuclear.
  3. Excess energy from 2. used to run giant microwaves that turn CO2 into micro diamonds.
  4. Use micro diamonds to make highly reflective roads and roofing materials.


How do you pay for it? Holy shit there's this thing called carbon pricing...

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Minlak said:
I find most people that preach about climate control to be massive hypocrites.
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I assume you mean "change" not control?

Presenting climate science results in hypocrisy? I try to discuss climate science on here, keeping it on the agenda.

As @Oddjob's stated, carbon pricing (especially the fee & dividend model) should be adopted everywhere immediately. At least the EU has had the ballz to do so:


I fear that acting with this model only at this point in time will be too late to address the issue meaningfully though. Science suggests we need to move to immediate rationing & a WW2-like reformation of society.

It's something we can & should tolerate. We are tolerating being locked in our homes for the last year!
 
hifiandmtb said:
I assume you mean "change" not control?

Presenting climate science results in hypocrisy? I try to discuss climate science on here, keeping it on the agenda.

As @Oddjob's stated, carbon pricing (especially the fee & dividend model) should be adopted everywhere immediately. At least the EU has had the ballz to do so:


I fear that acting with this model only at this point in time will be too late to address the issue meaningfully though. Science suggests we need to move to immediate rationing & a WW2-like reformation of society.

It's something we can & should tolerate. We are tolerating being locked in our homes for the last year!
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We did that already. Apparently it was ruining the weekend or something. I’m still waiting for my $550 Tony….
 
hifiandmtb said:
It was not the same as that proposed in Hansen's presentation, there are major differences in the application.
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It basically is, a national version of it at least.

The large producers of emissions were charged per tonne of co2-e, and the money raised went to low income people to offset their increased costs and it went to supporting emissions reductions - funding for ARENA for example.

It was remarkably effective at driving emissions reductions despite its short life and not having a chance to ramp up from its low introductory price. It was a net positive to the economy too.
 
Hansen's version is different in many ways, these being two:

  1. Money collected stays out of the govt coffers, all goes to the citizens
  2. All citizens get the same payment

Fee & 100% Dividend — OSS Foundation

The “Carbon Fee & 100% Dividend” presented by Dr. James Hansen has the best potential to initiate cause and effect that will lower CO2 emissions. Fee and dividend is the policy complement that must accompany recognition of fossil carbon reservoir sizes for strategic solution of global warming...
ossfoundation.us ossfoundation.us

The govt can never be allowed to dip into the collection, and it can't be a tiered approach. Makes way more sense to me.
 
hifiandmtb said:
Hansen's version is different in many ways, these being two:

  1. Money collected stays out of the govt coffers, all goes to the citizens
  2. All citizens get the same payment

Fee & 100% Dividend — OSS Foundation

The “Carbon Fee & 100% Dividend” presented by Dr. James Hansen has the best potential to initiate cause and effect that will lower CO2 emissions. Fee and dividend is the policy complement that must accompany recognition of fossil carbon reservoir sizes for strategic solution of global warming...
ossfoundation.us ossfoundation.us

The govt can never be allowed to dip into the collection, and it can't be a tiered approach. Makes way more sense to me.
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Sure. And will never ever happen. The reality based version is what we had - the economy and society benefits from the direct support and from the lowering of emissions.

Government coffers is the public money, at least mostly and in theory and when not corrupted… But the CPM was closer to the ideal than most. It was good, really good and we should be proud of it.
 
hifiandmtb said:
So proud. Look where Straya is now.

www.theguardian.com

Australia ranked worst of 57 countries on climate change policy

Thinktank report deems Morrison government ‘an increasingly regressive force’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

We get what we really want.

Don't blame the Scomo govt. Blame the shitstain citizens who put them there. And I don't even blame the citizens - the lifelong brainwashing is difficult to counter.
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I agree. It was a great policy instrument, too good for the bogan morons who got sucked into the crap that led to its abolition… Such a wasted opportunity.
 
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