That might be the life-changing event that I was talking about up the page.Looks like Bouhlel was a pretty crap Muslim, he did pork, drugs and alcohol and never attended a mosque. He didn't do Ramadan. His wife however was about to leave him.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wo...s/news-story/a4bab1f2a26ee37b0c246d934e0815ed
They might also not support extreme Islam and not want any part of it. I don't think a default position of assuming all Muslims support extreme views is a reasonable starting point. It's just like saying that all Christians support the pope and his views on contraception and support for kiddy fiddlers. Of course they don't, Christianity is hugely diverse and people have individual and unique positions, Muslims are no different. Huge amount of variance and unique positions across over a billion people.I guess the problem is we don't know what their private thought process is. They could well be sympathetic to the actions and goals of extremist but don't publicly support it for obvious reasons.
They might just simply be secretly in agreement but not doing anything because they have other things to do in life or they are fearful of getting caught.
At the moment you would be right. 30 years back it was Marxists and Maoists that were behind global networks of terror. 20 years before that you could say that anti-colonialists were at the centre with other secessionists/freedom fighters like the IRA, Eta, ANC, etc.I'm more than happy to be proven wrong, but it seems more often than not when there's a terrorist attack it seems to be Islam at the center.
I agree with the main point you're making there.And Johhny you are right, I could have worded that one better haha. Bush and John did throw the world into more chaos than in it needed to be in, I think if we didn't get involved in the middle east there wouldn't be as much skepticism/fear towards Islam as there is now, as I believe the wars in the middle east has helped to foster more extremism
Yes the migrant muslim population in western countires are looking for a better life for their themselves and their families. These are clearly muslim's on the moderate side similar to the average christian, jew etc. They believe but don't follow religion to the letter of the law, so to speak.We'd have industrial scale confrontation similar to the Cold War. And we have nothing even similar to that, so you'd expect that most of the Muslims couldn't give a fuck about killing us, they'd be more likely focused on getting a job, eating food, getting rich, driving nice cars, getting laid, having kids, bringing up a family and buying a big TV - just the same as us.
Yep, which is why social cohesion is so important and right wing extremism actually helps IS/AQ rather than contains them.Not for a second saying that makes them all terrorists, it just means that there is a bigger pot for IS to add their radicial ingredients.
The statement by the military doesn't sound Gulenist as they were talking about Secularism. Erdogan treats Gulen like a boogyman so it's probably BS that they are involved.Quite possible we will see army-on-army conflict in this.
Sounds like it's a Gulenist movement and the whole army will not support them.
I reckon i can though. Firstly, because it's a dumb reaction - it's not a "religious" group that is doing it, it's a group of people from within a religious group. We don't hate on every Catholic because a few thousand priests sexually tortured children. So why would you hate a billion Muslims because of a few thousand twisted fuckwits who murder? Secondly, because blaming every Muslim will only threaten our security so much more. Why would you want that?It never works to generalise across large groups of people because individuality is a fundamental aspect of being human.
I totally agree, but when one 'religious' group is responsible for such carnage on innocent people and children for
a long time you can't blame people to start to hate and despise....
I do get what you're saying though, and it is, I expect, unfortunately inevitable. Which is a pity as its both irrational and a huge strategic faiure.It never works to generalise across large groups of people because individuality is a fundamental aspect of being human.
I totally agree, but when one 'religious' group is responsible for such carnage on innocent people and children for
a long time you can't blame people to start to hate and despise....
Who? Christians?I totally agree, but when one 'religious' group is responsible for such carnage on innocent people and children for
a long time you can't blame people to start to hate and despise....
...and even then, is that the belief system that is violent? Or still just the actions of individuals who happen to claim a certain faith?Many also killed in the name of secularity, let's not lose perspective. A belief system is only as violent as those practising it.
My point. Although, I can't confidently claim either way without properly reading and understanding the Quran....and even then, is that the belief system that is violent? Or still just the actions of individuals who happen to claim a certain faith?
And I doubt her brother will end up paying for this.RIP Qandeel Baloch.
Infuriating.
Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”RIP Qandeel Baloch.
Infuriating.