The election thread - Two middle-late aged white men trying to be blokey and convincing..., same old shit, FFS.

[Plankosaurus]

Double post...



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[driftking]

Obviously it wouldn't be an overnight thing, and a lot of us would purchase overseas firearms, however deregulating it would allow local Australian's to put money into R&D and you may see some good Aussie made guns for our military and recreational shooters..

The reason our armed forces use overseas companies firearms is mainly because we don't have the industry, they do..

It wont work though. Australia is more costly to manufacture than overseas and it will always be that way. Even if Australia produced the worlds most popular gun manufacturers will soon figure out they can still produce this gun but Overseas for cheaper and they will move.

To add we are never going to have looser gun laws that sees most Australian's carry a gun, its just not logically to go back to a system that increases the chance of gun crime. If there is not a large enough domestic market which by population we wont have, manufactures will look elsewhere like America and places that have the market to cut cost.

 

[Skydome]

Which is a very strong argument for lowering minimum wage to make doing business here more attractive..


EDIT; We also need to look at ways of reducing the cost of living here before reducing minimum wage so people can actually get by on lower wages.

 

[pink poodle]

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeesus! I sort out dinner, search Australian gun makers on Google, and suddenly you guys are talking about lowering minimum wages! Lowering minimum wages won't achieve anything except for an even greater divide between those that have and those that dont. Have a look at the living conditions of the people in the countries that cover most of the worlds production and the argument for lower wages falls flat pretty fast. Well unless you are someone with a big vested interest in forcing people to live like shit.

 

[pink poodle]

Now back to something I don't even give a shit about....guns. turns out a reasonable amount of the defence forces weaponry is currently produced here. While not always designed here.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Defence_Industries

Unless wiki and Google have lied to me again.

 

[Skydome]

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeesus! I sort out dinner, search Australian gun makers on Google, and suddenly you guys are talking about lowering minimum wages! Lowering minimum wages won't achieve anything except for an even greater divide between those that have and those that dont. Have a look at the living conditions of the people in the countries that cover most of the worlds production and the argument for lower wages falls flat pretty fast. Well unless you are someone with a big vested interest in forcing people to live like shit.

I edited my post.

Before lowering minimum wage we need to look at ways of reducing the cost of living in Australia as, Australia is genuinely just an expensive country to live in, and because of that, has only just damaged us more than what the benefits are..

 

[Plankosaurus]

more pot + lower wages = less people inclined to get out of bed in the morning and work for a living. We're going to wake up one morning and find that Australia is now known as frankston

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[Skydome]

Now back to something I don't even give a shit about....guns. turns out a reasonable amount of the defence forces weaponry is currently produced here. While not always designed here.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Defence_Industries

Unless wiki and Google have lied to me again.

Interesting.. I didn't actually know that (Hopefully it's true)


Ahh well, you learn something new every day huh..

I always just assumed our weapons were all made in America or Europe.

 

[pink poodle]

I edited my post.

Before lowering minimum wage we need to look at ways of reducing the cost of living in Australia as, Australia is genuinely just an expensive country to live in, and because of that, has only just damaged us more than what the benefits are..

Damn post edits catch me out all the time....

We don't need to lower wages, we need to think for the future. Sadly our business enterprises are conservative by nature and our successive governments are filled with brainless morons. Some examples of potential wage reduction impacts on business here :
- mining industry is well known for high wages. A 10% drop in wages is a 10% drop in costs and thus a 10% rise in profit. Or there abouts, I'm sure we could debate the accounting implications if anyone cared to. Why would Gina and co be pushing forower wages? Hmmmm....

- in retail big Gerry is well known for hateing online shopping. His business tentacles aren't just the well known retail giant, but a lot of importing and wholesaling and is also tied to finance. Lower wages would reduce access to foreign purchasing for some people and that flows straight into all facets of his business, including more lending for purchasers.

- defence maintenance contracting is a massive industry that requires highly skilled workers. Of course we have a skills shortage which makes demand stronger than supply abd drives wages up. Again if these wages were driven down, profits increase.

This can be applied to almost any industry.

I don't know what the future jobs are. When I was a kid nobody told me to learn how to be a website designerbor mobile phone salesman. But by the time I finished high school there was this thing called the web and people were making a killing on it. They were ringing each other on their mobile phones to brag about it. By investing in future knowledge and ideas (green energy for one example) those jobs will come about.

 

[PINT of Stella. mate!]

more pot + lower wages = less people inclined to get out of bed in the morning and work for a living. We're going to wake up one morning and find that Australia is now known as frankston

It's not all lazy days and fat cones down the Nepean highway. Many Frankstonians are busy industrious people who have no time for sitting around sucking on bongs all day.

I put it all down to the meth.

 

[driftking]

I edited my post.

Before lowering minimum wage we need to look at ways of reducing the cost of living in Australia as, Australia is genuinely just an expensive country to live in, and because of that, has only just damaged us more than what the benefits are..

We are also one of the highest earning countries. So while we are one of the most expensive it is correlative to our earning, although yes our cost of living is still on the high side to our wages.

Lowering living cost and lowering wages would result in lower profit gained too, it will all be relative anyway, with a less expensive economy the manufacturers will also be pulling in less money due to lower pricing. I don't know if it will offset it much at all, although it will mean less looking overseas I guess as profits may not be greatly improved. Although if we were to manufacture weapons to be a big business in Australia that would inevitably result in overseas sales been the primary market, which still cost significant exporting. Where moving OS would negate this need.

Damn post edits catch me out all the time....

We don't need to lower wages, we need to think for the future. Sadly our business enterprises are conservative by nature and our successive governments are filled with brainless morons. Some examples of potential wage reduction impacts on business here :
- mining industry is well known for high wages. A 10% drop in wages is a 10% drop in costs and thus a 10% rise in profit. Or there abouts, I'm sure we could debate the accounting implications if anyone cared to. Why would Gina and co be pushing forower wages? Hmmmm....

- in retail big Gerry is well known for hateing online shopping. His business tentacles aren't just the well known retail giant, but a lot of importing and wholesaling and is also tied to finance. Lower wages would reduce access to foreign purchasing for some people and that flows straight into all facets of his business, including more lending for purchasers.

- defence maintenance contracting is a massive industry that requires highly skilled workers. Of course we have a skills shortage which makes demand stronger than supply abd drives wages up. Again if these wages were driven down, profits increase.

This can be applied to almost any industry.

I don't know what the future jobs are. When I was a kid nobody told me to learn how to be a website designerbor mobile phone salesman. But by the time I finished high school there was this thing called the web and people were making a killing on it. They were ringing each other on their mobile phones to brag about it. By investing in future knowledge and ideas (green energy for one example) those jobs will come about.

Yeah well out government is pretty screwed right now, no minister for science doesn't put much hope for their commitment to green energy.
I love some of gina rineharts comments

“There is no monopoly on becoming a millionaire,”

“If you’re jealous of those with more money, don’t just sit there and complain. Do something to make more money yourself — spend less time drinking or smoking and socialising, and more time working.

“Become one of those people who work hard, invest and build, and at the same time create employment and opportunities for others.”

reading between the lines she is saying low-income people are only poor because they don’t work hard enough

Thanks for that, Boys and girls if you work hard you too can INHERIT a billion dollar business.

 

[pink poodle]

if being rich makes you look like Gina, i'll take poor. im not sure if im jaded by her approach to life and other people, but fuck she is ugly enough to give a gun loving maniac a soft-on while he shoots the shit out of endangered animal shaped targets with an AK-47 while listening to the soft sexual tones of fake tanned bogans sluts.

 

[al_]

Make more sense to produce our own porn than our own guns

Don't try and justify your co-curricular activities!

And this gun discussion is a not particularly compelling. Skydome - it is unfortunate for gun fetishists, but our legislation is designed to kill the gun culture. It has worked extremely effectively and been celebrated worldwide. I know it ruins your fun, but take one for the team and be grateful that the psychopath next door can't get their hands on the highly lethal firearms you desire. Surely you can access some suitably nasty guns now to keep you entertained?

The economic impacts from a less regulated firearm industry aren't worth talking about. The policies could never be introduced either - the politicians involved would be blamed for every subsequent gun-related murder or injury. And only a tiny proportion of the population want more guns. I think the majority of voters would still want less firearms in circulation.

 

[John U]

Which is a very strong argument for lowering minimum wage to make doing business here more attractive..


EDIT; We also need to look at ways of reducing the cost of living here before reducing minimum wage so people can actually get by on lower wages.

The cost of housing is a massive part of the problem, and there's a few things that can be done to help reduce it but there are very few pollies with the backbone to talk about it let alone address it. Don't expect it to be fixed any time soon.

 

[pink poodle]

The cost of housing is a massive part of the problem, and there's a few things that can be done to help reduce it but there are very few pollies with the backbone to talk about it let alone address it. Don't expect it to be fixed any time soon.

Especially while there are profits to be made!

 

[Skydome]

Damn post edits catch me out all the time....

We don't need to lower wages, we need to think for the future. Sadly our business enterprises are conservative by nature and our successive governments are filled with brainless morons. Some examples of potential wage reduction impacts on business here :
- mining industry is well known for high wages. A 10% drop in wages is a 10% drop in costs and thus a 10% rise in profit. Or there abouts, I'm sure we could debate the accounting implications if anyone cared to. Why would Gina and co be pushing forower wages? Hmmmm....

- in retail big Gerry is well known for hateing online shopping. His business tentacles aren't just the well known retail giant, but a lot of importing and wholesaling and is also tied to finance. Lower wages would reduce access to foreign purchasing for some people and that flows straight into all facets of his business, including more lending for purchasers.

- defence maintenance contracting is a massive industry that requires highly skilled workers. Of course we have a skills shortage which makes demand stronger than supply abd drives wages up. Again if these wages were driven down, profits increase.

This can be applied to almost any industry.

I don't know what the future jobs are. When I was a kid nobody told me to learn how to be a website designerbor mobile phone salesman. But by the time I finished high school there was this thing called the web and people were making a killing on it. They were ringing each other on their mobile phones to brag about it. By investing in future knowledge and ideas (green energy for one example) those jobs will come about.

Good post..

On Hardly Normal, I think the main reason he complains a lot is that Harvey norman is a pretty expensive place to shop at the best of times.

A lot of people are tightening their belts and are seeing Harvey Norman as a bit of a rip off when it comes to prices so what a lot of people do is they get find out what they want, than purchase it from online stores.

Some of the Australia retailers aren't too bad, JB-HI FI seem to be alright and Camera house, though when purchasing anything, Wether it's cars, camera stuff or TV's, the time you purchase it does have a big impact on cost, I tend to only buy things at end of year financial clear outs or stock take sales, that way if you find a cheaper price for what you want from another retailer that retailer will be more than likely to price match or beat it.

When I bought a camera lens from camera house I got it and financial year clear outs, and they were asking I think from memory, 1,000 or 1,100 for it, but I could get it for 799 from another place so they were more than happy to price match it for me, I use the same process when buying cloths haha, when business are clearing out their summer stock for winter stock, that's when I'll buy my summer cloths for next summer, than I'll use the winter stock I bought at last years clear outs, many ways to save money.

Anyway, reducing minimum wage would no doubt help keep profits high in retail, mining call centres etc, and as such, would hopefully keep them keen to stay in Australia, but as I've said, before even looking at doing that, you'd want to look at reducing the cost of living so lowering minimum wage doesn't affect people especially families negatively, than you'd want to heavily invest in education so we can get more Australian's with skills..

Don't try and justify your co-curricular activities!

And this gun discussion is a not particularly compelling. Skydome - it is unfortunate for gun fetishists, but our legislation is designed to kill the gun culture. It has worked extremely effectively and been celebrated worldwide. I know it ruins your fun, but take one for the team and be grateful that the psychopath next door can't get their hands on the highly lethal firearms you desire. Surely you can access some suitably nasty guns now to keep you entertained?

The economic impacts from a less regulated firearm industry aren't worth talking about. The policies could never be introduced either - the politicians involved would be blamed for every subsequent gun-related murder or injury. And only a tiny proportion of the population want more guns. I think the majority of voters would still want less firearms in circulation.

Gun fetishist? Seriously keep dumb comments out of it for once thanks..


Okay, I'll admit, when John Howard's gun laws came in, in 1996 I believe it was, I was about 7 or something, but I do not recall John Howard saying he wanted to kill gun culture here, unless he did say that and I just have no recollection..



I'm not sure, from what I see it mostly seems to be boring bolties or pumpies which don't particularly interest me unless I can own an M1 Garand? I was going to say maybe an SKS, but realised it is semi automatic, so if it is even legal here (The older versions) it would most likely come under a class D licence as it is semi auto..

Correct me If I've got my classes mixed up or anything, I can't be bothered checking atm..

Other than that, I don't want else you can own under class A and B licence.

And If I wanted to get a Swiss Sphinx target shooting handgun which is a 3,000 dollar handgun, I'd have to apply to be a gun club member, than get the forms from the gun club, than apply for the class H licence than attend a minimum of 6 competitive shoots per year just to keep the licence which is a little too much imo, as the closest pistol club in Tasmania that I know of, is down in Hobart.


Take one for the team? Wat, Pretty much everything fun is getting banned in Australia, decent firearms, than fireworks got banned in pretty much all states except NT I believe.. It's only a matter of time before they ban powerful motorcycles or cars because of the few who kill themselves and other's with them, and they also stopped low fly overs with after burners at air shows because the government was shit scared about people getting hurt, but you know what, when you go to places like rallies or air shows, you understand that there's a risk that you may get injured spectating..

The cost of housing is a massive part of the problem, and there's a few things that can be done to help reduce it but there are very few pollies with the backbone to talk about it let alone address it. Don't expect it to be fixed any time soon.

Yeah, cost of housing is absolutely crazy in this country, if you have a family you pretty much have to be earning 100-120k just to get by comfortably..

 

[pink poodle]

good to see a change in topic has arisen...

Thanks for swinging things to the overall Nanny state we live in skydome! You are absolutely correct about our governments intruding too far into our personal freedoms. For too long small joys of our lives are gradually taken away in exchange for the illusion of being safe. I'm pretty sure the myth of safety and the myth of constant risk (both lies are forced on us by the media and politicians as tools of the capitalist elite) are merely here to control the populace.

Would a bill of rights style document resolve this? Do we need to become a republic so we can do away with our legal history and start over? And does anybody really give a shit which royal is visiting and what they are going to do whilst here?

 

[John U]

Thanks for swinging things to the overall Nanny state we live in skydome! You are absolutely correct about our governments intruding too far into our personal freedoms. For too long small joys of our lives are gradually taken away in exchange for the illusion of being safe. I'm pretty sure the myth of safety and the myth of constant risk (both lies are forced on us by the media and politicians as tools of the capitalist elite) are merely here to control the populace.

Would a bill of rights style document resolve this? Do we need to become a republic so we can do away with our legal history and start over? And does anybody really give a shit which royal is visiting and what they are going to do whilst here?

Could you maybe keep it to one can of worms at a time?

Not too many of my freedoms have been eroded. I do miss going to a smoky old pub though. There was something about the atmosphere in those joints, and I'm not talking about second hand smoke, it was something different. Some licensed premises should be able to cater to smokers. If you work there or you sign away any claims to second hand smoke. I would think if there was a couple of these in each city they'd be quite popular. If you don't like it don't go there.

Fear mongering is here to control the populace that won't question things. We live in a very safe place. The chances of harm coming to anyone at anytime (unless they go looking for it) are very small. I shake my fuckin head when I see smart people going along with this shit. IT ISN'T DANGEROUS OUT THERE!!!

Dunno.

Yes become a republic for fucks sake. History, why change it? We need to have a look at our current system of government if we end up with the likes of the current one.

The royals? Who cares apart from Womens Weekly readers?

We are not a nanny state. When I hear that call I brace myself for the bullshit that usually follows. Freedom isn't free, it costs a buck or five.

 

[pink poodle]

Could you maybe keep it to one can of worms at a time?

I was using the shot gun (pun intended) approach in the hope something fresh gained traction....you have popped up some good conversation generators, so hopefully something sticks. My stuffy is getting sore from the gun talk.

 

[al_]

You are absolutely correct about our governments intruding too far into our personal freedoms. For too long small joys of our lives are gradually taken away in exchange for the illusion of being safe.

I don't disagree, but without examples this you are just having a rant.

The gun laws are an example of extremely effective legislative protections - by any measure. The data shows a dramatic decline in gun-related deaths since their introduction. I'm personally ok with our freedom to access deadly weapons being restricted.

Despite the government's protestations, I'm also ok with restrictions being placed on our freedom to racially vilify others. I hate the unreasonable and unjustified restriction on my freedom to walk around without pants though, so can see both sides of the discussion.

Which personal freedoms do you begrudge losing recently?