The stupid questions thread.
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hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
Your arguments are overwhelming in their facts.
And wrong.
And wrong.
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Goddamnit @hifiandmtb!! ! You keep posting these eye burningly ugly bikes...
I never rode a Lawhill frame, but they always looked to ride a very different wheel path than a Horst. Most of the Horst stuff looked to have a mostly forward arching wheel path while the Lawhill offered a more vertical path. I remember all the hype (in the good old dirtworks catalogue and Ellsworth site) about their suspension set up offering a vertical wheel path and blah blah blah marketing hype about the microns of better ride performance. These did look like an exaggerated Lawhill.
Avert your eyes children!!!
I never rode a Lawhill frame, but they always looked to ride a very different wheel path than a Horst. Most of the Horst stuff looked to have a mostly forward arching wheel path while the Lawhill offered a more vertical path. I remember all the hype (in the good old dirtworks catalogue and Ellsworth site) about their suspension set up offering a vertical wheel path and blah blah blah marketing hype about the microns of better ride performance. These did look like an exaggerated Lawhill.
Avert your eyes children!!!
pink poodle
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The big movement away from the Horst is that in the Lawhill and Ellsworth endeavours the axle/drop outs moves independently (sort of...as in it inst fixed to the arch of either) the seat stay (as specilized had under patent) or the chain stay (as all the unlicensed knock off's like Kona did). Thus allowing a very different axle path (in theory).
I think the most important aspect is none of these were single pivots.
I think the most important aspect is none of these were single pivots.
pink poodle
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Not a super long bow at all. Just that the drop-out section of the frame extends in an ugly arch much further toward the seat tube than in a traditional Lawhill or Ellsworth design.
The way the shock is activated...well that is very different.
Flow-Rider
Burner
I thought it might be where you can change the rear to a different wheel size or axle configuration.
safreek
*******
I think the difference is that the yeti/Schwinn is a stunningly gorgeous bike, the Ellsworth is the mongaloid of the safreek hillbilly clan, good looking if you are the parent, hatful if you are notA Lawwill link & a Horst link are extremes of pretty much the same thing:
On the Lawwill link the seatstay is only a few inches long & the rocker link is huge.
This Ellsworth down the middle.
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bear the bear
Is a real bear
The Ellsworth website and the youtube videos don't show how it works, but it must if they are selling it....
Oddjob
Merry fucking Xmas to you assholes
Far out. That Yeti has so many bad ideas packed into one bike, so did the 303 and the... oh.A Lawwill link & a Horst link are extremes of pretty much the same thing:
On the Lawwill link the seatstay is only a few inches long & the rocker link is huge.
This Ellsworth down the middle.
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Flow-Rider
Burner
There's an animation half way down the page. ellsworthbikes
pink poodle
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...amazing animation. Their colour range is good. The red and blue are quite nice.
bear the bear
Is a real bear
Yup, but it's not correct as it shows the rear axle moving upwards, when in fact the movement should be around that mid pivot point (took me a few minutes staring at it to work out why it doesn't look right)
hifiandmtb
Sphincter beanie
69 degrees is fine for what it is.
Try the 70 degree HA on my TBc...
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Try the 70 degree HA on my TBc...
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Flow-Rider
Burner
The short arm that holds the shock is working with in the small radius and axle path is a large radius. Not much of a different concept to GT, you don't want the axle path hooking into the large bumps.
