Working at the Mines (unskilled and skilled jobs)

Ivan

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I don't know if anyone who has had input in this thread can help but it can't hurt to ask. Can anyone help me or give me some advice about getting vac work in the mines? I'm in my second year of a three year geology course so it's prime time for me to apply for some, I'm just unsure where to start.

If you go to the Big Guys websites (Rio, BHP etc) they usually start advertising for vac work vacancies at some point in the year. Generally, demand is so high, you need decent grades to land a vac job. Geology might be different though.
 

eastie

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I don't know if anyone who has had input in this thread can help but it can't hurt to ask. Can anyone help me or give me some advice about getting vac work in the mines? I'm in my second year of a three year geology course so it's prime time for me to apply for some, I'm just unsure where to start.
and your course coodinators aren't thusting positions at you??? FFS there are not enough rock docs in uni to sustain demand!

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tc2233

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I know this is slightly off topic. Next year i plan to do a Bachelor of Mining Engineering but im still not 100% sure on what Uni to go to. At this stage im planning on going to University of Wollongong because firstly, its the easist Uni for me to get to and i will also be able to do a 2nd degree in commerce as well.
The only problem that is kind of putting me off this decision is that i spent a week with UNSW doing work experience in the Hunter Valley and i was impressed on what they had to offer. Im not sure how 100% true this is but they gave me the talk on how UNSW is a "prestigious" university and everyone has increased chances at employment and all this. Just wondering am i meant to believe this or are they just bullshitting salesman which are trying to sell me a University course?

Just another question, is it worth me doing a Mining Engineering degree despite me considering working in the mines as a short term thing just to save some quick money? (I wouldnt mind owning a business and mining would be a good way to pay a deposit on the loan)
 
The only problem that is kind of putting me off this decision is that i spent a week with UNSW doing work experience in the Hunter Valley and i was impressed on what they had to offer. Im not sure how 100% true this is but they gave me the talk on how UNSW is a "prestigious" university and everyone has increased chances at employment and all this. Just wondering am i meant to believe this or are they just bullshitting salesman which are trying to sell me a University course?

Just another question, is it worth me doing a Mining Engineering degree despite me considering working in the mines as a short term thing just to save some quick money? (I wouldnt mind owning a business and mining would be a good way to pay a deposit on the loan)
Your first question: As of the weekend (I think) the University of Ballarat, the uni I go to, was deemed the uni with the best post-graduate employment reat out of Victoria. However, that doesn't mean it's a good uni. My fellow students and I are currently trying to get one of our lecturers to either pick up his game, or move on. On a mining level, given its history of mining schooling, UB is known as providing better mining courses and as such, its graduates are more desirable; or so they say... I think it's much of a muchness really. Your grade, the desparity of some mining operations and how the economy is can all effect you chances of getting a job.

Question 2: Doing any degree is a good idea. It gets you that extra qualification that, at the very least, will make your resume look good. As you have suggested, mining engineering will get you some decent money, but you have to factor in the time spent at uni and all the fees that go with it. You might find that it's more worthwhile to get your heaving vehicle license and become a driver at a mine. You will still earn a considerable salary and you can do it for the 4 or so years you would have spent at uni. If the business you want to eventually owning is mining related, then the engineering degree would probably be beneficial.

I hope that helps a little, and keep in mind that I'm the guy who just asked about vac work so I am far from an expert. Which, by the way, I am thankful for the input from the blokes above. I'll keep an eye out for when applications open and get onto it as soon as that happens.
 

MasterOfReality

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I know this is slightly off topic. Next year i plan to do a Bachelor of Mining Engineering but im still not 100% sure on what Uni to go to. At this stage im planning on going to University of Wollongong because firstly, its the easist Uni for me to get to and i will also be able to do a 2nd degree in commerce as well.
The only problem that is kind of putting me off this decision is that i spent a week with UNSW doing work experience in the Hunter Valley and i was impressed on what they had to offer. Im not sure how 100% true this is but they gave me the talk on how UNSW is a "prestigious" university and everyone has increased chances at employment and all this. Just wondering am i meant to believe this or are they just bullshitting salesman which are trying to sell me a University course?

Just another question, is it worth me doing a Mining Engineering degree despite me considering working in the mines as a short term thing just to save some quick money? (I wouldnt mind owning a business and mining would be a good way to pay a deposit on the loan)
UNSW are talking through their arse about employment prospects. If you are a graduate mining engineer, you will get a job no matter what.

I did my BE Mining at Wollongong simply because I was a local. I would have preferred to go to UNSW as they have greater resources but the commute put me off. At the time the course content was pretty much identical.

One thing to consider now is that all of the universities that offer mining engineering (with the exception of Wollongong and Ballarat) are members of Mining Education Australia (MEA), which aims to have common, standardised mining engineering coursework between those universities. I get the feeling its a bit of a circle jerk, in the vein of G08.

It used to be the case if you were looking to employ a coal grad, you would look for UOW or UNSW grads as these universities placed a emphasis on coal mining due to their location and access to local mines. For metals you would look for WASM or UQ grads. Don't know if this has changed much due to MEA.

If I had my time over again, after comparing facilities, staff and my experience when doing my PhD in rock mechanics, I would probably go to UNSW. They seem to have more academics that have actually worked in the mining industry for a substantial amount of time before going into academia.

You have to keep in mind that mining engineering is a specialisation or niche degree, and its not as easy to transfer to other fields if you get sick of it as a lot of the theory you will learn is pretty much only applicable to mining. I got plenty sick of it as all I seemed to be doing was planning or scheduling and not getting any real design work so I had to do postgrad to move into a more mentally challenging area.

Also at our consultancy, we can pick the guys that are only in it for short term financial gain and tend to avoid them like the plague as past experience has shown that these guys just tend to do the bare minimum to scrape by, rather than doing it out of genuine interest.
 
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tc2233

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Thanks for the replies. Muchly appreciated.

Try not to get me wrong though, its not like im doing mining just for the money. When i was doing work experience i had a an absolute great time, and heavy machinery and trucks do interest me, the guys and girls there were pretty down to earth and fun to work with.

For those about to rock, you probably know what im talking about, but there are some very weird Geologists at the mine sites i have noticed. Once you get them talking about rocks they never shut up lol. There was this girl who literally talked non stop for 40 minutes about rocks and you just see all the managers and the engineers trying not to piss themselves laughing while all of us are climbing the walls of the crew room.
 

mtb_ts

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I've heard of mines having a smaller number of staff who are women, but for us, do we get secure accommodation (there won't be many of us and may be idiots around) & secure amenities or ensuite accommodation?

How does one cope with culture shock? The bogan, binge drinking culture, drug taking that regularly goes on in such communities as drug dealers target miners peceived to have lots of cash. I do know a bit of what I'm talking about, in my family they own a business which services the mines so I did find out a bit about mine culture.
 

MasterOfReality

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If its FIFO you will most likely get your own donga with ensuite.

If you are a woman, you will get gawked at in the mess hall.

Binge drinking and drug taking in the camp doesn't really exist, companies now have pretty much zero tolerance if you are caught at work with anything in your system. Once when I was waiting for a drug and alchohol test, the guy that went in before me was given his marching orders because he blew over. It was his first day back from break as well. The breath analysers test to three decimal places, not two like the RBT things.

You won't get away from the bogan culture, it goes with the industry. You will just need to live with it, and divorce yourself from it haha.
 
Resource industry jobs

Seems to be a bit of a hot topic, how can we have so many people desperate to get into the resource industry, and a resource industry that says it's desperate for people. You'd think all of Australia would be driving ore train's and swinging valves by now.

Unskilled labour - If you have no skill or trade and no industry experience you need to take anything you can get. this usually means a general hand or TA with a company that service's the resource industry. This will be easier to do if you are already local to a resource area and the don't need accomodation or FIFO. Otherwise get a skill! Riggers/dogsman ticket, scaffies ticket, all reasonably short courses. then get on the call-up list for a project contractor i.e. Monadelphous, John Holland, Clough, the list goes on. When a major project gets depserate for people (i.e. Gorgon, Gladstone, Wheatstone, Cape Lambert expansion) and they will. You'll get a call and be on a plane before you know it.

Trade labour - If you have no industry experience get a foot in the door with a services or project sub-contractor. Then gain experience and work your way up to one of the operators who generally pay better(i.e. Rio, BHP, Chevron and so on).

Vac students - All resource companies and services/construction contractors advertise their vac programs, usually starting in April. Guess what - good grades, previous experience, attention to detail and demostrated thought/effort in filling out the very long application forms, are what will get you the position. Did you think it would be any different? Oh - did I mention good grades?

Graduates - Did I mention good grades? Guess what for the jobs directly with the resource companies grades count. They will help you get an interview/assessment from there its up to you.

Drinking/Drugs - you will get tested and you will lose your job

Bogan culture - It's amazing how good you'll feel about this once you have a big screen TV and HSV ute ;-) Otherwise you can take it with a grain of salt and travel the world working in the resource industry.
 

BlakZ

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This area of is a definate possibility for me (metallurgy / process engineering).

The thing is, FIFO would suit some people fantastically. Those that can't sit still, who want to organise camping/riding trips regularly, even interstate and overseas trips etc. If you have 2:1 roster or close to it, you can write-off a day eitehr side for travel/tiredness, and then you have a 4-5 day weekend every couple of weeks.

The problem with it is, money is only great if you actually hold onto it and save, and you dont fall into the drinking/gambling/flash car/expendable income down spiral.
 

freddofrog

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Being a met is a great way to go. You are given a lot of responsibility a lot earlier, like determining hiw to run the plant. Engineers take longer to have control over the whole mine. And most rosters are 1/1 or close to it. 2/1 rosters and worse are now left for contractors. And most companies fly one way in your time and the other in theirs, though the better ones do it both ways in their time, unless you're travelling interstate then thats your problem.
 

scuba05

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Trades are a good way to get in to the industry as well.

I work for an OEM, and we are that desperate for tradies that we are getting them from the UK, Sth Africa, NZ etc.

Im in my 4th year as a trainee engineer (elec), and the industry seems to be pretty good. I think I could be around earthmoving machinery for quite a few years to come....
 

avanti04

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Is anyone on the environmental side of things? Rehabilitation and the like. I'm in my final year studying forestry but seeing as the forest industry has kinda collapsed I'm trying to keep my options open. I'm pretty sure I've even heard some mining companies have hardwood plantations which would be ideal.
 

leitch

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Is anyone on the environmental side of things? Rehabilitation and the like. I'm in my final year studying forestry but seeing as the forest industry has kinda collapsed I'm trying to keep my options open. I'm pretty sure I've even heard some mining companies have hardwood plantations which would be ideal.
A friend of mine and his girlfriend just started working FIFO in the Northern Territory. He is unqualified doing unskilled field work. She, on the other hand, is a fresh, bleary eyed graduate from an Environmental Management degree, earning 100k/year. 12 days on, 9 days off. She loves it (and he likes his field work, though he's less well remunerated obviously).
 

scuba05

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What sort of trades is everyone looking for?
We are crying for electricians (primarily high voltage up to 2kV), boilermakers, fitters and plant mechanics, offering decent wages and conditions.

Most major mining areas we service require a heap more people, inc hunter, pilbara, bowen basing etc.
As I said, we are going to great lengths to get more staff, and the only way we are able to get them at the moment is through contractors.
 

321

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Your first question: As of the weekend (I think) the University of Ballarat, the uni I go to, was deemed the uni with the best post-graduate employment reat out of Victoria. However, that doesn't mean it's a good uni. My fellow students and I are currently trying to get one of our lecturers to either pick up his game, or move on. On a mining level, given its history of mining schooling, UB is known as providing better mining courses and as such, its graduates are more desirable; or so they say... I think it's much of a muchness really. Your grade, the desparity of some mining operations and how the economy is can all effect you chances of getting a job.

Question 2: Doing any degree is a good idea. It gets you that extra qualification that, at the very least, will make your resume look good. As you have suggested, mining engineering will get you some decent money, but you have to factor in the time spent at uni and all the fees that go with it. You might find that it's more worthwhile to get your heaving vehicle license and become a driver at a mine. You will still earn a considerable salary and you can do it for the 4 or so years you would have spent at uni. If the business you want to eventually owning is mining related, then the engineering degree would probably be beneficial.

I hope that helps a little, and keep in mind that I'm the guy who just asked about vac work so I am far from an expert. Which, by the way, I am thankful for the input from the blokes above. I'll keep an eye out for when applications open and get onto it as soon as that happens.
UB has to have the worst mining course in australia! Well i think so after spending 4 years in the place and i think xstrata zinc think like wise after they cut our sponsorship a few years back, but you will still get a job no worries out of it and its only a 3 year course atm. If your after vac work dont forget to hit up the local mines, a phone call will show your keen and open doors .. I work at an underground gold here in vic and did holiday work at the same site as well, really enjoying it.But if you get a foot in with xstrata , bhp or any of the big boys though vac work they could offer you a contract after the summer, if your any good and will pay for your last year of uni.
 
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hach_bee

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This hasn't been brought up yet, and I by no means claim to be an expert- just a thought particularly for unskilled guys looking for work. I did mess hall and bar tended at two sites over a summer, and it was bloody brilliant for networking. I knew SO many barstaff/hall staff/ even bloody housekeepers who took the job to make connections. Most ladies pull beers with the goal of getting on the trucks (which for guys, sorry face it, unqualified it's not going to happen for you). I also did housekeeping, admin roles, check out chic at the supermarket and grounds maintenance whenever we were required and cos of it, I can call tomorrow and put my hand up for another swing.

We worked 14/7, min 11hr days which can be alot of bed making, sweeping not to mention other mundane crap. But I met HEAPS of people and was even offered a couple of traineeships/entry level jobs while I was there (was accepted into uni at the time so it was no go). Sure it doesn't pay as well as qual'd positions, but shit I've never earnt $1600 in a week bartending before or since ($2600 the week we worked christmas).

Fallbacks: erratic work, I've been on standby to fly the next day, or out that night with no connecting flight booked as yet... I worked a casual payrate which meant tax made me its bitch... 3am starts make you want to stab somebody and it can make you really sick if you're not taking care of yourself... living with the people you work with (I did both share and dongas) can be good and bad, working in the desert when the air con in the pub fails... well you get the point.

Any casual staff member who worked head down ass up could get a f/t position no sweat, the contract takeovers we get called in for usually happen over summer (though I could have worked London OG too). One of my friends started out with a forklift ticket, worked his ass off and now manages a village. Could easily go for heaps of positions in the pit but he's a people person.

So many people say that they want to go out there for a couple of years, earn the cash and bail. Most of those last 6 months. The ones that stay are usually those that actually enjoy their work and can deal with living remote (being away from my family at xmas was so much harder than I thought it would be), and control their costs. It's easy to spend $100 a night on piss when pints are $9.

I've heard of mines having a smaller number of staff who are women, but for us, do we get secure accommodation (there won't be many of us and may be idiots around) & secure amenities or ensuite accommodation?

How does one cope with culture shock? The bogan, binge drinking culture, drug taking that regularly goes on in such communities as drug dealers target miners peceived to have lots of cash. I do know a bit of what I'm talking about, in my family they own a business which services the mines so I did find out a bit about mine culture.
Yes smaller numbers, but often you'll get preference for SPQ's with ensuites instead of share bathrooms like some villages still have. Bogan yes, you run into dickheads everywhere but everyone I met when working there was respectful to me (as a female) because I stood my ground and didn't take shit from them.

If you are a woman, you will get gawked at in the mess hall.

Binge drinking and drug taking in the camp doesn't really exist, companies now have pretty much zero tolerance if you are caught at work with anything in your system. Once when I was waiting for a drug and alchohol test, the guy that went in before me was given his marching orders because he blew over. It was his first day back from break as well. The breath analysers test to three decimal places, not two like the RBT things.
Yes gawked is an understatement! As for above (blowing numbers) we lost 4/5 original bar staff this way within one month of contract takeover. Depending on your co. and your town (I've worked in a BHP town- you have to work for them to live there, and they had more pull than the coppers), if you were involved in a fight in our pub and a punch was thrown, it didn't matter who started it, you'd both have your accom pulled. Basically, if you can't come in and abide by the rules, there's 10 other people behind you waiting for you job.

Binge drinking exists on FIFO days! And shut downs (oh lord), not to mention shift changeover (if you're doing alternate day/night weeks, more common for labourers). BHP used to test at the gate house: every 2nd car for breatho, every fifth for drugs on shift changeover times.

Summation: there are MANY hospitality companies with multimillion dollar contracts on sites, think about it if you don't have much else going for you. Contract takeovers happen all the time and co's drop TONNES of money on causals to make sure changeover happens smoothly it's a pretty easy way to stash a quick couple thousand in the bank over summer.
 
UB has to have the worst mining course in australia! Well i think so after spending 4 years in the place and i think xstrata zinc think like wise after they cut our sponsorship a few years back, but you will still get a job no worries out of it and its only a 3 year course atm. If your after vac work dont forget to hit up the local mines, a phone call will show your keen and open doors .. I work at an underground gold here in vic and did holiday work at the same site as well, really enjoying it.But if you get a foot in with xstrata , bhp or any of the big boys though vac work they could offer you a contract after the summer, if your any good and will pay for your last year of uni.
I think Xstrata even cut back more on their met sponsorship over the summer. I gave the geo at Stawell a call last year and he said get in touch with him again this year, so I'll definately be getting onto him again. Did you do the geo course?
 

321

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I think Xstrata even cut back more on their met sponsorship over the summer. I gave the geo at Stawell a call last year and he said get in touch with him again this year, so I'll definately be getting onto him again. Did you do the geo course?
Mining , they pay good money and i see your in ararat so that could work well. The place doesn't have the best rep in the industry and its super hot down the bottom. But im sure its not so bad licking rocks in the core shed!
 
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