dunndog
Eats Squid
Well, I am getting a lot of sun, and I'm regularly half cut around lunchtime..You sound like you're about to slay a ladyboy mate. :crazy:
Well, I am getting a lot of sun, and I'm regularly half cut around lunchtime..You sound like you're about to slay a ladyboy mate. :crazy:
There there, Eastie...stick with the thought of my full blown and it will all be gravy...Mental pictures of you two parading semi's has ruined my night.
Hahaha! Post of the day!like trying to stuff a marshmallow into a parking meter. I hope that thought comes to you two next time!
Come on mate this is a thread about wheel size, nothing funny here it's serious business.The next astoundingly funny post in this thread wins a custom title. After that, it's closing time.
You have a bad understanding of science. Science works by disproving things. A dozen experiments that support your hypothesis proves nothing. 1 experiment that disproves your hypothesis shows you were wrong and need to change your thinking.Physics is science. Science works by proving things.
Does it come in carbon?Come on mate this is a thread about wheel size, nothing funny here it's serious business.
Although I have just ordered one of these from the shop up the road.
http://www.weirderthebetter.com.au/shop/bikes/mini-clown-bike/
Nino could ride a drunk 3 legged donkey and still win. Ropelato, Smith, Hill, Gwinn and Hart probably would have still crashed if they were riding a 3 legged donkey.For example niño slaying XC fields on a 29er didn't prove that 29ers were better for XC but the following year when he cleaned up just a dominantly on 650b proved 29" wheels weren't the reason he was winning. If the marketeers decided they wanted to push 22&1/3 inch wheels I dare say he'd win on those too and disprove once and for all that wheel size makes a bigger difference than rider ability
There is a carbon prototype with Enve wheels kicking about somewhere.Does it come in carbon?
What's the Q factor?
I wonder if it's compatible with elliptical chainrings?
It's not a hypothesis it's a result and a trend. I'm not saying that either wheel is better than the other. I'm stating that right now for Downhill on a world cup level 26" wheels are proven to win. And currently are superior on a world cup level and have to results to back it up.You have a bad understanding of science. Science works by disproving things. A dozen experiments that support your hypothesis proves nothing. 1 experiment that disproves your hypothesis shows you were wrong and need to change your thinking.
For example niño slaying XC fields on a 29er didn't prove that 29ers were better for XC but the following year when he cleaned up just a dominantly on 650b proved 29" wheels weren't the reason he was winning. If the marketeers decided they wanted to push 22&1/3 inch wheels I dare say he'd win on those too and disprove once and for all that wheel size makes a bigger difference than rider ability
Some one winning a dh World Cup on larger wheels won't prove they are better for dh, simply that 26 isn't intrinsically better of dh for that rider on that particular track.
I've said it before I'll say it again wheel size "innovations" have been great for selling bikes but really have just wasted time and money that could have been spent developing stuff that made a real difference... It's 2013 I want a light weight, efficient frame mounted gear system, no more bent/busted deraileurs or dropped chains, oh and a fucking Hoverboard!
My apologies figured you were having a person dig, I agree though the tabata thread was just a personal out lash of frustration about specifics aha, got some good information out of it though with some knowledgeable members getting into it plus I felt better after clearing some things up about the actual study.I apologise if there was any doubt (dig at the thread not the person). I found the other thread interesting, I think I understood your point and admired your passion but is/isn't tabata didn't bother me one little bit...which this wheel size argument reminded me of. Look at the progression of downhill over the last 25 years, from downhill fire trails to ever rougher and more technical terrain, as long as downhill keeps going in that direction I don't care what the wheel size is, it is irrelevant...the argument should be about the riding we want to do and having equipment that makes it enjoyable.
thank you that was what I was trying to say, you did so ever more elegantly.You have a bad understanding of science. Science works by disproving things. A dozen experiments that support your hypothesis proves nothing. 1 experiment that disproves your hypothesis shows you were wrong and need to change your thinking.
For example niño slaying XC fields on a 29er didn't prove that 29ers were better for XC but the following year when he cleaned up just a dominantly on 650b proved 29" wheels weren't the reason he was winning. If the marketeers decided they wanted to push 22&1/3 inch wheels I dare say he'd win on those too and disprove once and for all that wheel size makes a bigger difference than rider ability
Some one winning a dh World Cup on larger wheels won't prove they are better for dh, simply that 26 isn't intrinsically better of dh for that rider on that particular track.
I've said it before I'll say it again wheel size "innovations" have been great for selling bikes but really have just wasted time and money that could have been spent developing stuff that made a real difference... It's 2013 I want a light weight, efficient frame mounted gear system, no more bent/busted deraileurs or dropped chains, oh and a fucking Hoverboard!
But isn't that a bit like saying a Formula 1 car is the best car to use if you want to win a Formula 1 race? Sure it's proven and it's a trend but that's just because there isn't any other alternative.It's not a hypothesis it's a result and a trend. I'm not saying that either wheel is better than the other. I'm stating that right now for Downhill on a world cup level 26" wheels are proven to win. And currently are superior on a world cup level and have to results to back it up.
A 29" wheel winning a round didn't mean that it was better in XC but it proved that it's capable of winning, something the 27.5wheel does not yet have for downhill.
i'm inclined to agreeThis time next year there will be a 650b on the DH world cup podium. You'll see!
I don't agree with your analogy because there is an alternative right now. There were guys running 27.5" wheels at the worlds.But isn't that a bit like saying a Formula 1 car is the best car to use if you want to win a Formula 1 race? Sure it's proven and it's a trend but that's just because there isn't any other alternative.
There were 3 sizes at the world champs. Wouldn't the riders run gear on their bike that they thought would give them the best advantage? This includes wheel size, no?Sure the 26" wheel is dominant but how many other wheel sizes are currently racing regularly on the WC circuit? What would happen if you put Graves, Hill, Brosnan, Minaar, Hannah, etc. on another wheel size?
And now the 29" fanboys can sleep easy at night knowing that their fabled wheel has been proven to be competitive on a world cup level. I think you are misunderstanding my point. I'm not agreeing / disagreeing with whether or not 27.5", 29" or 36" is faster for rolling. But making claims that it is superior for DH without the results to back it is wrong. Right now the 27.5" wheel still does not have the result that proves they are a fast enough advantage of winning and world cup DH round.You could have said the same thing about XC 5 years ago. 26" was dominant and everyone poo pooed the 29er because it hadn't won a World Cup. When was the last time a 26" won on the World stage?
I agree. But this year there hasn't been. So save your fireworks.This time next year there will be a 650b on the DH world cup podium. You'll see!
Fixed. Oh, wait... You meant 1.5" bigger?Lets be honest, if 1.5" made a great deal of difference most of our wives would have left us for Moorey by now.
Yes and no.There were 3 sizes at the world champs. Wouldn't the riders run gear on their bike that they thought would give them the best advantage? This includes wheel size, no?
Hahahahaaa! Winner, send me a PM with what custom title you'd like Flash.Lets be honest, if 1.5" made a great deal of difference most of our wives would have left us by now.