Ideate
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What: Banshee Spitfire + Bafang BBSHD ebike. Yes you read right. Is this the first ebike PYR???? Technically it's my same Banshee Spitfire but I think it deserves it's own place because it's a different monster now.
When: a while ago but I knew it wouldn't get much love around here so I've been waiting a while for Moorebagz to settle down from his uneducated old man disgust.
Price: $2k to convert.
Location: This isn't a sale thread.
Why: to annoy Moorebagz and because ᶠᶸᶜᵏᵧₒᵤ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) that's why
Firstly, lets get something straight. A lot of people don't like the idea of ebikes.. and I get it. The thing I don't get is the lack of perspective. Anyone ever heard of De Bono's 6 thinking hats? Ebikes will soon become the norm. You wait!
If you've been following.. I've been hinting here and there about a secret project involving my Banshee Spitfire. When Dazzlers sold his (newer, blacker!) Spitfire frame for CHEAP I thought it wasn't going to be worth me selling mine. Plus I've hacked at this frame already so I thought I'd donate it to the Spit-e project.
I'll start with the first dodgey item on the agenda... the shock. If you're unaware, that's my 8.75x2.75 RC4. I wasn't going to leave my CCDB Coil CS on there so I sold that and put the RC4 on while I wait for special mounting hardware for the shit air-can I have lying around. It's actually pretty nice.
It wasn't that hard to fit in there.. I used some physics (string) to compress the spring.
NEXT...
The conversion kit. I was actually looking into something more hacky like a DeWalt strapped to the rear stay (no joke). After some research, I went all out and bought a Bafang BBSHD conversion kit including a 52v 15Ah 30q backpack battery. All up it cost $1,954.50 but I could have saved $100 (I'll explain later).
I chose the Bafang BBSHD mid drive kit because I didn't want a heavy backend (with a hub motor). It was also readily available and other alternative mid drives were too expensive such as the Tangent 3kW etc.. The Spitty was also going to be a good donar because of the straight down tube from the bottom bracket. This would maximise the clearance of the motor.
To fit the motor I would have to hack at the frame a little bit. It's nothing new though as I shortened the seat tube a long time ago .. I'll see if I can find pictures and insert them here later. So the angle grinder came out and part of the bb tab came off. Then the bottom cable guide tab came off.
I could then slide in the Bafang BBSHD snug against the downtube to maxmise clearance. I've hit it once so far but otherwise it's been fine. Views from a few angles.. From the top it does feel a little wider than usual but not noticable after a bit on the bike.
The Bafang BBSHD kit comes with this steel behemoth 46t chain ring. It's the biggest heap of shit so I got a special Lekkie narrow wide ring which is also 36t making it easier on the motor for climbing. I also ordered these Lekkie buzz bar crank arms because I thought they'd be better than the stock.. but I was wrong. This is where I could have saved some money as they were $100 extra. Because the bottom bracket spindal is square tappered, cranks are limited and generally shit. These Lekkie buzz bars deformed and became permantly wobbly/loose. I don't think they imagined 100kegs slamming them down rock gardens and jumps. They also started rubbing on the motor as I torqued them down so I had to grind spots of the arms off.. Anyway, they look good but they're rubbish for anything serious.
Here's an indication of the bottom bracket / motor clearnance. The way I set it up was also considered "stealth" according to the Bafang community. It comes with this clunky screen that's nearly as big as your phone. I didn't want to clutter the bars so I found out I can go away with all the noob (important) features such as screen, speed sensor, brake sensor and gear shifting sensor.
It's basically bare bones motor and throttle. Yes throttle.. I hear you say " But that's a MOTORBIKE!".. well technically yes but I don't use it that way (Darrel does though lol!). I only plug in when I'm climbing and hold the throttle down according to my pedalling needs. So it's a pedal assist in my eyes but if someone wanted to NOT pedal.. you could.
So.. there's a bit of cable excess because of all the other sensor plug-ins but I just tucked them under the shock mount and also under the bottom bracket.
There's the finished build. The setup is highly illegal as there's no speed limiter and the power peaks at about 1500 watts which is about 15 times what I probably put out and about 1300 watts over the legal limit.
I haven't weighed it yet but the kit is approximately 5kg and the battery is about 3.5kg? So plus that to the Spitty which would have been about 13kg? In the realms of a regular ebike (20kg-ish+). I'll take some pics of the battery and backpack later (dinner is calling). It climbs like a goat and descents like a Zerode G1 with 140mm travel lol..
Let the flaming begin.
When: a while ago but I knew it wouldn't get much love around here so I've been waiting a while for Moorebagz to settle down from his uneducated old man disgust.
Price: $2k to convert.
Location: This isn't a sale thread.
Why: to annoy Moorebagz and because ᶠᶸᶜᵏᵧₒᵤ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) that's why
Firstly, lets get something straight. A lot of people don't like the idea of ebikes.. and I get it. The thing I don't get is the lack of perspective. Anyone ever heard of De Bono's 6 thinking hats? Ebikes will soon become the norm. You wait!
If you've been following.. I've been hinting here and there about a secret project involving my Banshee Spitfire. When Dazzlers sold his (newer, blacker!) Spitfire frame for CHEAP I thought it wasn't going to be worth me selling mine. Plus I've hacked at this frame already so I thought I'd donate it to the Spit-e project.
I'll start with the first dodgey item on the agenda... the shock. If you're unaware, that's my 8.75x2.75 RC4. I wasn't going to leave my CCDB Coil CS on there so I sold that and put the RC4 on while I wait for special mounting hardware for the shit air-can I have lying around. It's actually pretty nice.
It wasn't that hard to fit in there.. I used some physics (string) to compress the spring.
NEXT...
The conversion kit. I was actually looking into something more hacky like a DeWalt strapped to the rear stay (no joke). After some research, I went all out and bought a Bafang BBSHD conversion kit including a 52v 15Ah 30q backpack battery. All up it cost $1,954.50 but I could have saved $100 (I'll explain later).
I chose the Bafang BBSHD mid drive kit because I didn't want a heavy backend (with a hub motor). It was also readily available and other alternative mid drives were too expensive such as the Tangent 3kW etc.. The Spitty was also going to be a good donar because of the straight down tube from the bottom bracket. This would maximise the clearance of the motor.
To fit the motor I would have to hack at the frame a little bit. It's nothing new though as I shortened the seat tube a long time ago .. I'll see if I can find pictures and insert them here later. So the angle grinder came out and part of the bb tab came off. Then the bottom cable guide tab came off.
I could then slide in the Bafang BBSHD snug against the downtube to maxmise clearance. I've hit it once so far but otherwise it's been fine. Views from a few angles.. From the top it does feel a little wider than usual but not noticable after a bit on the bike.
The Bafang BBSHD kit comes with this steel behemoth 46t chain ring. It's the biggest heap of shit so I got a special Lekkie narrow wide ring which is also 36t making it easier on the motor for climbing. I also ordered these Lekkie buzz bar crank arms because I thought they'd be better than the stock.. but I was wrong. This is where I could have saved some money as they were $100 extra. Because the bottom bracket spindal is square tappered, cranks are limited and generally shit. These Lekkie buzz bars deformed and became permantly wobbly/loose. I don't think they imagined 100kegs slamming them down rock gardens and jumps. They also started rubbing on the motor as I torqued them down so I had to grind spots of the arms off.. Anyway, they look good but they're rubbish for anything serious.
Here's an indication of the bottom bracket / motor clearnance. The way I set it up was also considered "stealth" according to the Bafang community. It comes with this clunky screen that's nearly as big as your phone. I didn't want to clutter the bars so I found out I can go away with all the noob (important) features such as screen, speed sensor, brake sensor and gear shifting sensor.
It's basically bare bones motor and throttle. Yes throttle.. I hear you say " But that's a MOTORBIKE!".. well technically yes but I don't use it that way (Darrel does though lol!). I only plug in when I'm climbing and hold the throttle down according to my pedalling needs. So it's a pedal assist in my eyes but if someone wanted to NOT pedal.. you could.
So.. there's a bit of cable excess because of all the other sensor plug-ins but I just tucked them under the shock mount and also under the bottom bracket.
There's the finished build. The setup is highly illegal as there's no speed limiter and the power peaks at about 1500 watts which is about 15 times what I probably put out and about 1300 watts over the legal limit.
I haven't weighed it yet but the kit is approximately 5kg and the battery is about 3.5kg? So plus that to the Spitty which would have been about 13kg? In the realms of a regular ebike (20kg-ish+). I'll take some pics of the battery and backpack later (dinner is calling). It climbs like a goat and descents like a Zerode G1 with 140mm travel lol..
Let the flaming begin.
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