Can America be fixed?

Haakon said:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/20/trump-saudi-arabia-jamal-khashoggi-crown-prince

Wow... Unsurprising of course, but every time i think it cant get any worse -it does.
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This is virtually unthinkable. Even the public evidence is absolutely overwhelming for an assassination ordered by the Saudi prince, god only knows what the classified picture must be. At least now the Dems have the lower house, the evidence can be subpoenaed and Trump will have to publicly answer for pretending to believe the Saudis.
 
Binaural said:
Trump will have to publicly answer for pretending to believe the Saudis.
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No he wont. He will be accused, he will retort with "fake news" and all his followers will believe him. The end.

So no - I don't think the United States can be saved. It will break up I suspect, which will then lead to even more overt tensions between states. Civil war is probably inevitable in a decade i think if they stay on this trajectory.
 
Haakon said:
No he wont. He will be accused, he will retort with "fake news" and all his followers will believe him. The end.
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Congress has different and not necessarily aligned priorities with Trump. He's already led the GOP to the biggest midterm defeat in 60 years, it is very likely that the politics of pushing back on his dereliction of duty is going to change substantially going forward. Even previously a Republican-only congress was able to pass veto proof sanctions on Russia, and slapping Saudi Arabia with a weapons embargo could easily be on the table. At the very least, the threat of such sanctions could force Trump to the negotiating table. There are a lot of foreign-policy hawks who could conceivably come together to demand that Trump acknowledge the evidence and act against the Saudis or else. So while his drooling followers may not push back against him, there is at least some chance his political peers do take some action.
 
Binaural said:
Congress has different and not necessarily aligned priorities with Trump. He's already led the GOP to the biggest midterm defeat in 60 years, it is very likely that the politics of pushing back on his dereliction of duty is going to change substantially going forward. Even previously a Republican-only congress was able to pass veto proof sanctions on Russia, and slapping Saudi Arabia with a weapons embargo could easily be on the table. At the very least, the threat of such sanctions could force Trump to the negotiating table. There are a lot of foreign-policy hawks who could conceivably come together to demand that Trump acknowledge the evidence and act against the Saudis or else. So while his drooling followers may not push back against him, there is at least some chance his political peers do take some action.
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I hope you're right. But normal rules stopped applying a while back...
 
Have you noticed though that the language around Khashoggi has changed? He is no longer referred to as an American resident...
 
pink poodle said:
Have you noticed though that the language around Khashoggi has changed? He is no longer referred to as an American resident...
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Yep. Enemy of the state now.

One does wonder how bad it has to get. Trump was dead right in saying he could shoot someone on 5h avenue and get away with it.
 
^ James Fallows is a great journalist. I remember reading some of his stuff back in the 80's and 90's (when I was a baby of course:D).
 
So, on trend for Australian gun crime, the firearm used in the recent NT mass shooting started its life as a legal weapon.

www.abc.net.au

'Entrenched secrecy' among police when it comes to tracking illicit guns, expert says

How did the accused Darwin gunman, parolee Ben Hoffmann, get his hands on a shotgun and allegedly kill four people? Likely with relative ease, according to an expert.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

"The 12-gauge pump action shotgun was seized at the time of Hoffman's arrest, and police later confirmed its serial number matched a weapon stolen in 1997. "
 
I'm assuming all guns were 'legal' at some point, unless it's some weird home-made contraption. Not sure what percentage of gun crime is committed using weapons purchased in other jurisdictions and illegally imported.

The Christchurch nutter bought his guns legally, and surprise surprise it was the good old AR-15 type weapon once again:

www.washingtontimes.com

Brenton Tarrant bought four guns legally, New Zealand dealer says

A Christchurch gun shop on Monday acknowledged selling guns online to the 28-year-old white supremacist accused of killing 50 people in mosque shootings that have upturned New Zealand’s reputation as among the world’s most tolerant and safe nations.
www.washingtontimes.com www.washingtontimes.com

Doubtful he could have done what he did if in Australia.
 
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