COVID-19: who’s going full doomsday prep on this?

[stirk]

Let's see if Sweden herds the pandemic out.

 

[Kerplunk]

Had we achieved elimination and maintained the 14-day mandatory quarantine for all inbound travellers, then incoming students or workers shouldn’t really be a significant risk. But, if there is any residual virus in the community then yes, the carefree behaviour of the young will just amplify the spread again.

There has been quarantine failures here (vic and wa) and in abroad, it’s not a perfect system. China has moved to 28 day quarantine, so maybe 14 ain’t enough.. The majority of the current vic outbreak has been linked to a small infected group in quarantine. So it doesn’t take much to spread.. A lot of the students are coming out of countries where the virus is rampant. High % will land infected..

If we can achieve elimination, a big dilemma is what do we then do until an effective vaccine is available, which may be never. Parts of the world may achieve near herd immunity and be able to open up their economies and borders without being too worried. Will we get left behind in our safe little bubble I wonder?

Hence the suppression strategy rather than eliminate I suppose.. Gov wants everyone to get used to a certain level of covid in the community so borders can eventually be carefully opened with or without a vaccine. Perhaps, new rapid on demand testing will allow travellers to skip quarantine altogether. Get tested everyday rather than sit in a hotel room..

 

[mike14]

I was never a fan of them beforehand. And in my game there still seems to be this lingering tradition of kissing the females prior to meetings. (The cheek, not on the lips, I'm not in the porn industry)

I stopped that business eons ago. Almost every single one of them likes being offered no touching prior to and after the meeting.

Fist bump maximum pre covid. Now you'd be lucky to have me in the same room.

There's no kissing on the lips in porn (or so I'm told....)!

All our tests came back negative, but it was very interesting exercise to start working out how many people you may have come in contact with. I WFH and generally hate people so don't get out much, but the list builds up a lot quicker than you'd think

 

[ozzybmx]

I totally agree with states closing borders to vic and if the situation was reversed.. Why wouldn’t you? I was always in the elimination camp..
I said I just don’t see the point if the Fed policy is suppression and the medical advice is not to have state borders closed. The fed will actively persue national policy and actions on that advice.. The country can’t afford to be locked in indefinitely, the fed gov knows this. That’s why there is this whole line of a new “covid safe” way of life we will have to adapt to..
80000-100000 international students are slated to be imported next year.. How do reckon that quarantine will go with a bunch 20-25 year olds? They need these students for labour as much as fees hence the fed will push very hard.. Then there will be the skilled workers and other immigration visas..
If there is no vaccine for years (most likely) what is the plan for the covid free states if the federal policy is contary to the states policy?

Look at the viral/disease/infections that have broken out in our lifetime, Asian Flu, Hong Kong virus, MERS, SARS, Ebola, Swine Flu, Bird Flu ect.. and then the world reaction to Covid-19.
What's the knee jerk going to look like when the next one arrives, possibly cancelling all international flights effective immediately to review the threat ?
We are going to come out of this looking like a different world.

Closing borders ? 100%, can you imaging the squeal from VIC if we in SA or NSW were having 100 cases of community transmission a day and they were back to drinking in pubs and a semi normal way of life with all the little businesses and towns open... then free to cross the border and possibly send a clean state back into fear and lock down.

We got this off the back of a one of the worst bushfire seasons in history, Aussie businesses and towns were already hurting for 2-3 months before this shit arrived.

 

[Elbo]

Since the announcement of the border closing, things in Albury seem to have stepped up a notch. Limits are back in place for long-life items from the supermarket. I just did our weekly grocery shop at the green grocer's in Wodonga and admittedly bought more fruit and veg than I usually do, but the place was packed, every checkout was pumping and I heard the same conversation about doing one last shop before the borders close, 4 or 5 times as I walked out past the other registers.
Gonna make sure I ride down and get a photo of the border checkpoint over the river once it's set up. There can't be that many times in history this has happened.

 

[ozzybmx]

Limits are back in place for long-life items from the supermarket.

The start of World War poo.

 

[pink poodle]

They need these students for labour as much as fees hence the fed will push very hard.

I disagree on he labour aspect, especially while our unemployment rate is so high. But they do help leverage wages down.

Universities have become reliant on foreign students as a revenue stream thanks to shit funding.

I'm going to be pissed when they start bringing in foreign students (and probably labour as well) and I'm still not allowed to travel overseas.

 

[stirk]

Since the announcement of the border closing, things in Albury seem to have stepped up a notch. Limits are back in place for long-life items from the supermarket. I just did our weekly grocery shop at the green grocer's in Wodonga and admittedly bought more fruit and veg than I usually do, but the place was packed, every checkout was pumping and I heard the same conversation about doing one last shop before the borders close, 4 or 5 times as I walked out past the other registers.
Gonna make sure I ride down and get a photo of the border checkpoint over the river once it's set up. There can't be that many times in history this has happened.

I really feel for border areas, it's fucking rediculus to close such areas that are so interdependent on each other for work, friends, family and business and a line on a map becomes a barrier that becomes enforced. Towns like Albury and Wodonga need to be in their own bubble if we need such bubbles.


I really feel sorry for the folks locked up in housing commission towers in Melbourne. I didn't even know they existed, sounds like a cramped place to live in the best of times let alone in a lockdown situation.

At what point does society, in some form of normal, live with this as we have with other nasty viruses. The seesaw of lockdown and open up can't continue.



@Elbo grab some TP mate before the whoreders grab it all!

 

[link1896]

Like a temporary Facebook profile photo, I propose we change our states name temporarily to VICrona

 

[moorey]

I really feel for border areas, it's fucking rediculus to close such areas that are so interdependent on each other for work, friends, family and business and a line on a map becomes a barrier that becomes enforced. Towns like Albury and Wodonga need to be in their own bubble if we need such bubbles.


I really feel sorry for the folks locked up in housing commission towers in Melbourne. I didn't even know they existed, sounds like a cramped place to live in the best of times let alone in a lockdown situation.

At what point does society, in some form of normal, live with this as we have with other nasty viruses. The seesaw of lockdown and open up can't continue.



@Elbo grab some TP mate before the whoreders grab it all!

I don’t think it applies to places like Albury Wodonga. My cop mate in Wodonga just took the fam to ACT today.

 

[Kerplunk]

I disagree on he labour aspect, especially while our unemployment rate is so high. But they do help leverage wages down.

Universities have become reliant on foreign students as a revenue stream thanks to shit funding.

I'm going to be pissed when they start bringing in foreign students (and probably labour as well) and I'm still not allowed to travel overseas.

We don’t disagree on my point re “labour”.. Yes uni’s funding is rooted so is the whole so called “skilled” migrant visa scheme. It’s all to artificially pump up the GDP..

 

[The Duckmeister]

I don’t think it applies to places like Albury Wodonga. My cop mate in Wodonga just took the fam to ACT today.

That's 'cos it hasn't closed yet. For Melbourne residents the blockade is midnight tonight, for the rest of the State it's tomorrow.

Also, being a cop he might be in a privileged position to cross borders closed to the plebs.

 

[moorey]

That's 'cos it hasn't closed yet. For Melbourne residents the blockade is midnight tonight, for the rest of the State it's tomorrow.

Also, being a cop he might be in a privileged position to cross borders closed to the plebs.

Ah..Got it.
And nah, he’s as law abiding AF. Even if he was allowed to as a cop, I bet he wouldn’t.

 

[nzhumpy]

A few family groups (4) left here this morning for Falls and Buller to presumably look at the mountains as they were aware that snow is very thin on the ground, I wonder if they made it down or have decided to bail and turn around and come back, 14 days isolation on return from Vic would not be a whole lot of fun.

 

[slowmick]

Wife's family says they have started to set up the barricades to close the border between Yarrawonga and Mulwala. Those two may as well be a single town. Going to be strange times up there.

 

[franco cozzo]

Victoria is expected to announce more than 190 new coronavirus cases and tougher containment measures – possibly even an entire state lockdown – this afternoon.
The Australian reports that new lockdown measures will “almost certainly” be announced today after 44 per cent of Monday’s cases were in local government areas with no locked down postcodes

Reports of over 190 new Victoria cases

Victoria is expected to announce more than 190 new coronavirus cases and tougher containment measures – possibly even an entire state lockdown – this afternoon.

www.news.com.au

 

[beeb]

Yep, shit's about to get really real down here across the Melbourne metro. There's still so many people not taking it seriously (handshakes/hugs/large gatherings/poor social distancing, etc...). This is getting very near the numbers where it can spiral away from suppression to totally out of control very very quickly.

 

[ozzybmx]

NSW has recorded seven new cases of COVID-19 as of 8pm yesterday.
Six new cases are returned travellers in hotel quarantine.
The total number of cases in NSW is 3244.
The seventh is a man who was cleared of coronavirus on the 10th day of hotel quarantine, and subsequently released.
Upon his return to his home in Newcastle on Sunday, he developed symptoms.
He and his close contacts are currently in isolation

What's the point of a 14 day quarantine if they release them early.
Stupid shit like this will put NSW back to square one.
Its 14 days for a reason.

Breaking news and updates Australia: July 7, 2020

www.9news.com.au

 

[Nambra]

Wife's family says they have started to set up the barricades to close the border between Yarrawonga and Mulwala. Those two may as well be a single town. Going to be strange times up there.

Tweed Heads & Cooloongatta have been that way for several months with the QLD border closed. Locals have always been permitted to travel over and back if they live in NSW and work in QLD - you just apply for a permit and stick it on your windscreen. It's not really caused any grief aside from some delays with cars queuing at the checkpoints.

It might have been a different story had Northern NSW had a large numbers of cases - it will be interesting to see how things will work in the towns along the border between VIC & NSW. I sincerely hope things are brought under control quickly down that way, for everyone's sake.

 

[Kerplunk]

What's the point of a 14 day quarantine if they release them early.
Stupid shit like this will put NSW back to square one.
Its 14 days for a reason.

Breaking news and updates Australia: July 7, 2020

www.9news.com.au

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