Haakon
has an accommodating arse
I call bullshit. If he really wanted room to carry stuff he'd buy a trailer or a van...
Electric Vehicles etc
- Thread starter Cardy George
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ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
He has a 8x5 tandem cage trailer, ever seen what a pillock you look pulling that behind a little dinky car
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
I dont know about the pillock bit, but if he is worried about what other people think I guess thats something he can raise with his therapist.He has a 8x5 tandem cage trailer, ever seen what a pillock you look pulling that behind a little dinky car
But have towed big 8x5 tandem cages plenty of time with a Peugeot 504 - it did fine. Havent had the need for that amount of trailer space for a while though. But if its under 1300kg braked I'd do it with the Alfa
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
Hitching a trailer for a few bags of cement is a pain and travelling interstate with 3 bikes and 4 people plus luggage hasn't happened since he got it.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Less of a pain than piloting around a dynamically compromised oversized pos for 99% of the time you’re driving it…
Scotty T
Walks the walk
Quite possibly because the perception is the battery is stuffed.
Tesla seems to be the exception on holding value because they did a better job with the battery tech in the first generation of the Model 3 and Supercharging infrastructure. I've looked, they aren't cheap second hand.
I posted recently about a Hyundai that still had stacks of range after decent mileage. I think the current generation is looking even better for low degradation.
Battery tech moving so fast is a big factor too.
Scotty T
Walks the walk
If you are in the market for a new car it makes sense to at least look seriously at EV. If not and you own your car outright keep driving it until you need/want a new one and consider EV.Anyway - “I just want one” is a fair enough reason for the most part. The fairly transparent justifications jsut look silly
We won't mention the big difference in lifecycle emissions, even not accounting for recycling. We can't keep putting at least 70% of the energy in petrol into the atmosphere to move us around because it's a bit cheaper up front.
I'll rephrase my statement, it's not a good thing to go petrol if you are in the market and electric can fulfill your needs without a huge price difference.
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
My 18yr olds car, aka #1 son.Anyway - “I just want one” is a fair enough reason for the most part. The fairly transparent justifications jsut look silly
Justification - to carry him, his muscles and gym gear to the gym. Works every time, he hasn't needed a trailer or complained about space.
My opinion - Well done son, you have worked hard at school to get where you are at 18.
beeb
Dr. Beebenson, PhD HA, ST, Offset (hons)
An Atto 3 really isn't that big a car. They look SUV-like, but mostly they just sit higher to accomodate the battery tray. They are actually a few mm shorter (bumper to bumper) than a Cerato hatch - and the Cerato only gives up 12L of boot space (not counting a frunk on the Atto if it has one...).
I'm not following what your point about the Niro hybrid is? A hybrid has to incorporate the complexity and expense of both an ICE and an EV, so is never going to be the cheapest thing around for the same size of vehicle. A full EV Niro is ~$72K drive-away for the base model, doesn't have great range or power, and sits sort of in-between the Stonic and Sportage size-wise (and the Niro/Stonic are really just taller cars in the same rough footprint as a Cerato hatch, hence using it as my reference) - for a similar size/spec ICE Kia SUV you'd be looking $40-45K too, so the price gap there gets even bigger.
I think when I last ran the fuel cost vs charging calc I was doing less km's and fuel was a bit dearer - so it's looking somewhat more favorable now - but it's still a big gulf to conquer unless you really want a cheap Chinese EV like an MG (I do not given current quality issues and massive repair part lead-times...). I certainly haven't seen anyone offering anything remotely like 0.25c per kWh for electricity round my area either, unless I could leave my car at home during the day to charge it off-peak (and then that'd be offset by higher kWh charges on-peak when I'm actually home at night - and I also wouldn't be able to go to work and not having a job would make affording the lease/loan repayments difficult).
Unfortunately for the value perspective, but appropriate for my particular usage case - the Tesla calculator also assumes home charging. I think this is about right for real-world figures for me currently.
The next couple of years should see new-car EV prices drop dramatically where the maths should work out, but like @Cardy George alluded to - I've been saying that for the last 4 years now (and delaying buying a new car in case it became a reality) but we still haven't seen it. Currently more and more legacy auto makers are flooding the market with over-priced highly trimmed small SUV's - but cheap and basic EV's (of reasonable quality and driving range, ie: good "mechanicals" (electricals?) without all the bloatware) are still vapourware. The Kia K3/K4/K5 might bring down the prices a little bit by being built in China with a BYD Blade battery - but given all the hype online, I bet they still won't be anywhere near the $40-55K range, probably low $60K range is my guess for the K5 (Sportage size) SUV. In regional Vic we're also hundreds of km's from the nearest service centres for anything not from a legacy auto maker (so Tesla/BYD) if anything faults, so it's not just a matter of getting it towed to the nearest regional hub/town for repairs. It'd be a significant expense in itself.
It probably doesn't sound like it, but I absolutely believe in the potential of electric cars - but unless you're pretty well-off already or prepared to pay the premium for the experience, or value the enviromental (or in some cases just "seen to be green") factor - it's still at a point where people are buying them as a gizmo/status symbol/curiosity IMO - or they had enough money to buy something as (or more) expensive in the first place but wanted a "cheap" run-around.
I agree the argument that petrol prices will go up is probable, so gambling on cheaper running costs working out over the longer term is probably sound - but it's not guaranteed either. The biggest problem currently is people have been willing/foolish enough to pay over-the-odds for legacy auto makers re-hashed ICE-platform EVs, rather than demonstrate to the auto-makers that value-focused models are also required. It's the classic trap of lower-middle class folk not being able to afford to save money and the upper-middle class reaping the benefits of new technology right now. I sort of live between the two realms, so if the prices do trend sharply downwards over the next 1-2 years I might be into an EV for my next daily driver, but at the moment it would be a vanity purchase.
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
I have driven large 4WD's for years, currently a Landcruiser. I enjoy driving that car every time I get in it, plenty of power, plenty of space and the most comfortable ride.
My missus Atto 3 sits there with the keys available to me to head to nightshift and I still drive my cruiser.
fjohn860
Alice in diaperland
Don't need a licence for the bike.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Yeah, I don’t get it. I’ve spent plenty of time in large 4WDs and they all suck arse on the road.
Maybe if you get a kick out of the intimidation factor, but beyond that they’re jsut shit on normal roads.
fjohn860
Alice in diaperland
Settle down Ayrton
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Sorry. I guess I’m just accustomed to not freaking out and slowing right down for every corner.
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
You are on a different planet mate.
Intimidation factor ??? Maybe talk to your own therapist. Only 30% of Australian roads are sealed, now if you can live you life in the concrete, thats fine but some of us actually travel other places than between major cities on tarmac that may even have charging points for the EV you dont have.
If it doesn't suit you, fine. Drive your Euro shitboxes and be happy.
Oddjob
Merry fucking Xmas to you assholes
It can still pack in 1/2 a tonne of wine with the seats folded down. I moved a chunk of wine out of Wine Ark into my new 'shed', and pretty much loaded the ATTO 3 to the gills with about 30 cases of wine no problem.
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