Mystic MTB - Bright

LPG said:
It does currently say daylight hours so isn't too bad if you are there in the summer months when the days are long.
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It says 'General guest service hours' on post #244.

Guessing that would be from 8am till about 4-5pm.
 
Reading the available docs and the thread here, the underlying (and not great) issue is that it appears that Simon and his team (assume again that this was a broad condition of the EOI) as the park operator, Elevation Parks, need to assume all liability for visitors using the trails at all times.

This leads me to assume that the hours of operation and access for varying levels of "pass" are likely dictated by the insurance underwriter and that the allowable hours in the policy are a strategic weighing up of cost.

I get that this is frustrating for all users, but this is a significant burden that has to be managed and I feel like the State Government or Council should play a bigger part in this given the social value of the park.

I may be wrong
 
ozzybmx said:
It says 'General guest service hours' on post #244.

Guessing that would be from 8am till about 4-5pm.
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I guess we'll see once clarifies, Cardy's screenshot shows the current time schedule and if it stays the same in on with it. If it as you suggest it would be a pity. I won't be heading to Bright on family trips if I can't get 3+ hours of riding done by 9.30-10am. That basically puts Bright off the list until my boys are old enough that they come for a proper ride with me otherwise I am just dumping the boys on my wife and the short holiday is shit for her and I don't go back. I know we are not the only ones who have this issue, Bright as a town is a family destination.

@dirtart, I know you are probably juggling things from a legal and risk standpoint and it isn't easy. If you can figure out an in between membership that allows access at any time, or at least during daylight you would be less likely to put people off who appreciate brights current system. Maybe a week long membership that is costed around 2-3 days of single entries? Either that or have a system where visitors can do the same safety induction / waiver as the full members but then get the access for the full calendar day for a year until they do it again the same way a member would? Bright presents itself as a place for the whole family but you will push the families away if you don't let people be flexible to manage their time to suit the families needs.

Ackland said:
Reading the available docs and the thread here, the underlying (and not great) issue is that it appears that Simon and his team (assume again that this was a broad condition of the EOI) as the park operator, Elevation Parks, need to assume all liability for visitors using the trails at all times.

This leads me to assume that the hours of operation and access for varying levels of "pass" are likely dictated by the insurance underwriter and that the allowable hours in the policy are a strategic weighing up of cost.

I get that this is frustrating for all users, but this is a significant burden that has to be managed and I feel like the State Government or Council should play a bigger part in this given the social value of the park.

I may be wrong
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I agree, the risk and insurance aspect is likely the challenge. I've seen private locations lean on things like cycling Australia recreational memberships and similar to manage risk. I'm hoping Dirt Art is able to organise a system that gives similar access for occasional riders that visit from out of area. An out of area membership that allows you to visit 10 days in a calendar year or similar might work.
 
LPG said:
I agree, the risk and insurance aspect is likely the challenge. I've seen private locations lean on things like cycling Australia recreational memberships and similar to manage risk. I'm hoping Dirt Art is able to organise a system that gives similar access for occasional riders that visit from out of area. An out of area membership that allows you to visit 10 days in a calendar year or similar might work.
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Heaven help us, let's not get AusCycling involved! o_O
 
The risk and liability is completely different because they’ll have already completed a sign in and waiver. They will also have an arm band to wear while in the park, so are easily identifiable.

Cardy George said:
I can only assume you have the data to back that up.

Because if @ozzybmx is right, and I'm a prime example of that, it's going to be a fast ride to policy change.

If I can't get in to the park after work, then I don't take a bike. If I don't take a bike, I have no need to stay 20 minutes away from work in Bright, I'm better off staying 5 minutes away in Myrtleford.

It also needs to be pointed out you're the only true bike "park" in the area, the rest are just networks that aren't practical for a blast after work. So there's monopoly on a captive market going on too.

And you didn't answer why the risk liability is different for season pass holders.
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dirtart said:
The risk and liability is completely different because they’ll have already completed a sign in and waiver. They will also have an arm band to wear while in the park, so are easily identifiable.
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Just use these after hours gates and if some one has not signed their waiver you will never hear from them again :)
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At least there is the possibility of expanding access in future. No all public trails permit night riding and restrictions are not enforced. Not a lot of sports provide the access we normally have.
 
Stredda said:
Heaven help us, let's not get AusCycling involved! o_O
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Not a recommendation!

dirtart said:
The risk and liability is completely different because they’ll have already completed a sign in and waiver. They will also have an arm band to wear while in the park, so are easily identifiable.
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Is it a magical arm band that gives members super anti injury powers? Don't answer that, I'm just taking the piss and am not trying to be nasty (hopefully that comes across in text).

With everything digital moving forward (and even currently with hivepass) I can imagine that the sign in and waiver can be done digitally on site or remotely and can be logged for a user so they don't need to do it again for a period of time (annually?). This leaves the only difference for an annual member the magical armband which leaves me sceptical about it's claimed powers.

I'm hoping we are helping you understand the wider community of users that you might not have heard from local consultations and not just being a pain.
 
If only it was as simple as one of the mountains in Vancouver where you're greeted with a big gate that says 'you pass this gate, you assume all liability for injury'. Whether that's legally binding or not ... different story
 
You guys should really take this fight to the public pools and community centres. Your taxes actually pay for those facilities and they're not even open at the whim of the public! I might want to swim with a headlight at 11pm at night! Sounds like a pretty dumb argument in that context though, hey.
Who cares anyway- trails were never public originally and they're not going to fence the whole joint. Just go whenever you feel like it and don't access the trails through yhe front gate! Take wire cutters if you're really worried. Its not like the bike patrol are going to be out there patrolling if its out of "guest services hours".

What gets me, is why is dirtart taking on another park when they can't even keep the trails groomed at maydena?
 
LPG said:
until my boys are old enough that they come for a proper ride
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This is the next issue and the reason why I have not been back to Bright since the hill was monetised. For myself and what would have been my 2 x 13/14/15/16yr olds to ride the hill casually (no shutts) for a couple of hours in 1 afternoon out of say a 7-10 day trip would have been $75 a day.

Cant remember what the breakdown of that was but IIRC it was $25 each for the membership day pass.

One trip to Bright we arrived there to 1000's people doing the Spartan race on the hill, the town was jam-packed with competitors and families, what does this mean for an event like that. I was last there pre-corona, but the first back in 2022 had over 5000 competitors. Does $25 get added to every competitors race fee of already $125 for 5km and up to $250 for 50km.

Dont get me wrong @dirtart, I would pay $110 to ride Maydena any day but Bright is a different fish.

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dirtart said:
The risk and liability is completely different because they’ll have already completed a sign in and waiver. They will also have an arm band to wear while in the park, so are easily identifiable.
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Yeah, I'm not buying that either. Like @LPG says, it's it a magical armband that stops everyone from falling off? And I'm willing to bet the majority those who are venturing into the forest in the dark are not your average noob.

And you may or may not have noticed, this is a digital world now. There are many different ways of gathering details and granting passage without anyone actually needing to be there.
 
clockworked said:
I might want to swim with a headlight at 11pm at night! Sounds like a pretty dumb argument in that context though, hey.
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Don't know if you're taking the piss or not, but swap "might want to" with "this is the only opportunity I have" and you might get the point.
 
ozzybmx said:
This is the next issue and the reason why I have not been back to Bright since the hill was monetised. For myself and what would have been my 2 x 13/14/15/16yr olds to ride the hill casually (no shutts) for a couple of hours in 1 afternoon out of say a 7-10 day trip would have been $75 a day.

Cant remember what the breakdown of that was but IIRC it was $25 each for the membership day pass.

One trip to Bright we arrived there to 1000's people doing the Spartan race on the hill, the town was jam-packed with competitors and families, what does this mean for an event like that. I was last there pre-corona, but the first back in 2022 had over 5000 competitors. Does $25 get added to every competitors race fee of already $125 for 5km and up to $250 for 50km.
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Yeah its about that I paid the $15 for a 'One Day pedal in membership' for two of the days we were there, I got a ride in early in the morning then we did our family stuff then I headed off and saw the sun come down as I was on one of my final laps.
But also the reason we booked in Bright was due to Mystic and the ability to ride over and spend a couple hours before the day and after the day in the park, especially promoted by our AirBnb.
 
Kids U16 are now free.

Kids do still need to register for an annual Mountain Pass (at no cost), but get 10% off uplifts with this.

ozzybmx said:
This is the next issue and the reason why I have not been back to Bright since the hill was monetised. For myself and what would have been my 2 x 13/14/15/16yr olds to ride the hill casually (no shutts) for a couple of hours in 1 afternoon out of say a 7-10 day trip would have been $75 a day.

Cant remember what the breakdown of that was but IIRC it was $25 each for the membership day pass.

One trip to Bright we arrived there to 1000's people doing the Spartan race on the hill, the town was jam-packed with competitors and families, what does this mean for an event like that. I was last there pre-corona, but the first back in 2022 had over 5000 competitors. Does $25 get added to every competitors race fee of already $125 for 5km and up to $250 for 50km.

Dont get me wrong @dirtart, I would pay $110 to ride Maydena any day but Bright is a different fish.

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