Newly Released eBikes and eComponents General

oldcorollas said:

NSW Consumer Notice

myride.com.au myride.com.au
"Due to a change in the legislation related to the sale of E-Bikes in NSW, consumers based in NSW can no longer purchase Scott, Avanti or Bergamont E-Bikes in My Ride stores in NSW, or via the My Ride website for collection in NSW."


www.nsw.gov.au

Selling or renting out e-bikes and other e-micromobility products in NSW

If you manufacture, sell or rent out e-micromobility products in NSW, make sure they meet product safety requirements.
www.nsw.gov.au www.nsw.gov.au

"e-bikes, e-scooters, e-skateboards, self-balancing scooters and the lithium-ion batteries used to power these devices are now ‘declared electrical articles’ under the Gas and Electricity (Consumer Safety) Act 2017.

This means that these products need to comply with the prescribed mandatory safety standards before they can be sold in NSW.

From February 2025, e-micromobility devices, such as e-bikes and e-scooters, sold in NSW must comply with the prescribed safety standards. These requirements have been introduced to ensure that only safe and compliant products are available in the market, reducing the risk of fires.

The NSW Government is also consulting on the introduction of a new Information Standard for e-micromobility devices sold in NSW.
This standard will be introduced under the Fair Trading Act 1987 and require suppliers to provide clear and accurate safety information at the point of sale. This includes details about safe use, charging, storage, fire prevention, and disposal of devices and their batteries.
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Your Google fu is strong. Interesting so if the shop has an Info pack and says to the customer you gotta read this and your compliant.
 
oldcorollas said:
From February 2025, e-micromobility devices, such as e-bikes and e-scooters, sold in NSW must comply with the prescribed safety standards. These requirements have been introduced to ensure that only safe and compliant products are available in the market, reducing the risk of fires.
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Should have been an Aus wide initiative rather than hitting NSW bike shops in the pocket.

NSW'ers now heading to Vic and QLD to pick up their new eebs.
 
ozzybmx said:
Should have been an Aus wide initiative rather than hitting NSW bike shops in the pocket.

NSW'ers now heading to Vic and QLD to pick up their new eebs.
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Agree .
NSW is the most heavily , expensively regulated state if you look at medical stuff, cars ,road rules ?
 
ozzybmx said:
Good vid !

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Just goes to show that you don't get something for nothing. You want a lot of power and a reasonable range? You have to have a decent sized battery and you get more weight. The battery is always the limiting factor.

Just for fun I did the 50km Devils Cardigan gravel race on my Levo SL as there was an Ebike class. Even though my bike rolls and pedals pretty well above the speed cut, I couldn't beat two of the full powered bikes that also raced. The bigger batteries allowed them to go way faster up the hills and that was too much of a gap to make up by just having a bike that pedalled better. Same goes for XC races and enduros. The more powerful bike always wins. You shouldn't buy a lightweight Eeeb if you simply want to race or beat full powered bikes.
 
Stredda said:
Just goes to show that you don't get something for nothing. You want a lot of power and a reasonable range? You have to have a decent sized battery and you get more weight. The battery is always the limiting factor.

Just for fun I did the 50km Devils Cardigan gravel race on my Levo SL as there was an Ebike class. Even though my bike rolls and pedals pretty well above the speed cut, I couldn't beat two of the full powered bikes that also raced. The bigger batteries allowed them to go way faster up the hills and that was too much of a gap to make up by just having a bike that pedalled better. Same goes for XC races and enduros. The more powerful bike always wins. You shouldn't buy a lightweight Eeeb if you simply want to race or beat full powered bikes.
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Those full powered bikes how would you know if they had or hadn't unlocked the speed limiter. My guess in a gravel race it would be rather tempting to deristrict the e-bike.

That's the problem in E-bike racing these days.
 
bigdamo said:
Those full powered bikes how would you know if they had or hadn't unlocked the speed limiter. My guess in a gravel race it would be rather tempting to deristrict the e-bike.

That's the problem in E-bike racing these days.
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One guy that I was riding with for a bit definitely had a speed cut at 25kph and looking at the Strava data I'm pretty sure the other guy did too. With the bigger battery you can just go harder a whole lot longer.

Yes, you can't take racing an Ebike all that seriously, as unless there's a lot of technical terrain that requires a lot of skill, it mostly comes down to whoever has the most powerful bike that wins. Unlike dirt bike racing where you have heaps of power and it takes skill to manage that power and the speed that comes with it, a pedal assist Ebike is pretty tame and any average rider should handle it, so then it comes down to power.
 
bigdamo said:
That's the problem in E-bike racing these days.
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Nah the problem with ebike racing is no-one wants to watch it and not many want to race it... Look at E-enduro, its on hold this year and chatting to a young Aussie who races on the world stage, although the industry didn't officially say it, the entry numbers were too low and crowds virtually non existant. some rounds only has 5 or 6 elite females which is pretty pathetic on the world stage...
Local events also have dismal entries... The Vic gravity enduro at Falls Creek on the weekend had only 1 young lady in eeb class.
 
Mattyp said:
Nah the problem with ebike racing is no-one wants to watch it and not many want to race it... Look at E-enduro, its on hold this year and chatting to a young Aussie who races on the world stage, although the industry didn't officially say it, the entry numbers were too low and crowds virtually non existant. some rounds only has 5 or 6 elite females which is pretty pathetic on the world stage...
Local events also have dismal entries... The Vic gravity enduro at Falls Creek on the weekend had only 1 young lady in eeb class.
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Nah the problem with racing be it moto or MTB is COST. I've seen moto-x events cancelled due to lack of numbers, I've seen many MTB events come and go more so recently sometimes from lack of entries sometimes just the cost of running the event just don't add up anymore.

I thought about racing again but No 1 no over 60 class in either anolouge or E-MTB No 2 cost If i go race the Tas Gravity Enduro series which is held all over Tassie it's going to cost me somewhere in the vincinity of $250-$500 a event. No3 justifying that to my wife is just not worth the grief. She sure was glad when my moto-x racing days finished. I remembered when I first started going out with her and ended up in hospital 3 times in one year from racing Moto-X and she said to me " so let me get this right you payed $10K for the bike you pay $25 to race you spend lots on parts for the bike you end up in hospital a few times a year so how much money can you win at the end of the year" me " oh we don't win money we get a trophy" she " your an idiot"

unless the Austraian Masters games come back to Tassie I might compete but even then the people who are competeing at the Australian Masters are mostly ex state and Australia title winners who never really stopped competing and are super super fast and super fit. My chances of placing are slim to none.

PS I saw alot of people practing at George Town round of Tas Gravity enduro who were practing on a E-Mtb bike racing on a anolouge MTB. No shuttles there during the week.
 
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Mattyp said:
Nah the problem with ebike racing is no-one wants to watch it and not many want to race it... Look at E-enduro, its on hold this year and chatting to a young Aussie who races on the world stage, although the industry didn't officially say it, the entry numbers were too low and crowds virtually non existant. some rounds only has 5 or 6 elite females which is pretty pathetic on the world stage...
Local events also have dismal entries... The Vic gravity enduro at Falls Creek on the weekend had only 1 young lady in eeb class.
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I have found that at local events EMTB has grow quite a bit, especially in gravity enduro. In the Tas Gravity series a few years back when they first had an Ebike class there were only 3 riders. Now there's enough for a mens and womens category with around 10 in the men Ebike and 4 in the womens.
It would be different on the world stage as you need eyes on the racing to make it attractive for sponsors.
bigdamo said:
PS I saw alot of people practing at George Town round of Tas Gravity enduro who were practing on a E-Mtb bike racing on a anolouge MTB. No shuttles there during the week.
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I've done that before at the last XC state champs. Sussed out the course before the race on the Eeeb to save the legs for the main race.
If work doesn't get in the way for the Hobart Tas Gravity round, I will probably do the same there too.

I think with racing in general, there just isn't the percentage of people in the MTB community wanting to race compared to 10 or more years ago. There's a whole lot more social riders than racers these days.
 
Mattyp said:
Nah the problem with ebike racing is no-one wants to watch it and not many want to race it... Look at E-enduro, its on hold this year and chatting to a young Aussie who races on the world stage, although the industry didn't officially say it, the entry numbers were too low and crowds virtually non existant. some rounds only has 5 or 6 elite females which is pretty pathetic on the world stage...
Local events also have dismal entries... The Vic gravity enduro at Falls Creek on the weekend had only 1 young lady in eeb class.
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Classic. Probally all busted for deristricting there E-MTB and banned for life. Probally on the roids as well.

From 2024

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What is: E-Enduro?​

1 year ago
There is no doubt that when it comes to mountain bike racing, E-Enduro is the format on the move. The youngest of the race formats is riding the back of the boom in the popularity of E-MTB’s and is the proving ground for the world’s biggest bike and component manufacturers as the arms race continues to heat up with almost daily tech advances coming on a daily basis.
 
bigdamo said:
Those full powered bikes how would you know if they had or hadn't unlocked the speed limiter. My guess in a gravel race it would be rather tempting to deristrict the e-bike.

That's the problem in E-bike racing these days.
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People occasionally bend the rules at MTB races but I would find it hard to believe people would blatently cheat by running a unrestricted bike?
 
Coopz said:
People occasionally bend the rules at MTB races but I would find it hard to believe people would blatently cheat by running a unrestricted bike?
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I find it hard to believe that people would blantenly cheat at the Tour de France and many other bike races by either adding a very small e-motor hidden in the frame or taking steriods ( which could and has seriously fucked up your health later in life) and many other ways to cheat but yet they have and will continue to do so.

I'd hazard a guess at least 40% of E-MTB have deristricted there motor in Australia.
 
Coopz said:
I would find it hard to believe people would blatently cheat by running a unrestricted bike?
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I know a few of the chippy crew who have entered and won 4hr and 6hr duos on chipped bikes and apparently done battery swaps/charged while the other bloke did his laps. Ebike racing at club level is about as serious as ebike Strava leaderboards.
bigdamo said:
I'd hazard a guess at least 40% of E-MTB have deristricted there motor in Australia.
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My guess would be 5%.
 
ozzybmx said:
I know a few of the chippy crew who have entered and won 4hr and 6hr duos on chipped bikes and apparently done battery swaps/charged while the other bloke did his laps. Ebike racing at club level is about as serious as ebike Strava leaderboards.


My guess would be 5%.
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The thing is we will never know how many E-MTB are deristed in Australia. Hell even the cops do nothing when I see those Fat bikes and shopping/transport E _bikes doing 60kmh on the road next to me while I'm driving in my car and a cop driving behind me.
 
bigdamo said:
The thing is we will never know how many E-MTB are deristed in Australia. Hell even the cops do nothing when I see those Fat bikes and shopping/transport E _bikes doing 60kmh on the road next to me while I'm driving in my car and a cop driving behind me.
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I was overtaken yesterday by 2 kids on highly modded ebikes, I was doing 60kph and the both flew past me (no peddling either). They know the cops can't chase them.
 
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