Protective gear for DH?

shmity

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Running low on popcorn....can't find pause button...

Are the neck braces single "use" like a helmet? Or are you able to endure multiple crashes in one before they require replacement?
You need to inspect for damage. After larger impacts you can crack the rear 'shelf' which reduces the amount of resistance to letting your head push back. Leatt have consitantly been dropping the overall height of their braces in the last few years which is reducing their claimed effectiveness anyway.


This is marketing not research. Try again.
 

jarrod839

Banned
Your the one making the bold claims that they don't work and that me still being able to walk along with many others was not the result of my leatt neck brace but a act of god. So i say to you where is your proof that god exists and he was the one that stopped my neck from breaking.

Watch the fucking video you halfwit and you will understand and even leatt admits that no protective equipment including there brace is going to stop you from serious injury but help prevent the injurys severity.

You are getting the words stop and prevent mixed up dickhead.

The impact i endured is the same out come as in the testing video the force was pushed away from my neck and into my shoulder therefore helping prevent me from a more severe outcome like a broken neck.

Its not fucking rocket science but jeez a broken collarbone and fractured T1 or a possible broken neck and not being able to walk again. Or even better i can keep riding my bike or be in a wheelchair and face the challenges and hardships of life and impact on my friends and family.
But you seem to not understand this philosophy so we will start on a easy one for you whats.
1+1=.

What peice of safety equipment are you going to rat on next maybe safety harnesses cause they can squash your balls.
 

jarrod839

Banned
Running low on popcorn....can't find pause button...

Are the neck braces single "use" like a helmet? Or are you able to endure multiple crashes in one before they require replacement?
single use mate if your helmet is impacted badly in a crash you must replace the brace aswell.
 

shmity

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Your the one making the bold claims that they don't work and that me still being able to walk along with many others was not the result of my leatt neck brace but a act of god. So i say to you where is your proof that god exists and he was the one that stopped my neck from breaking.

Watch the fucking video you halfwit and you will understand and even leatt admits that no protective equipment including there brace is going to stop you from serious injury but help prevent the injurys severity.

You are getting the words stop and prevent mixed up dickhead.

The impact i endured is the same out come as in the testing video the force was pushed away from my neck and into my shoulder therefore helping prevent me from a more severe outcome like a broken neck.

Its not fucking rocket science but jeez a broken collarbone and fractured T1 or a possible broken neck and not being able to walk again. Or even better i can keep riding my bike or be in a wheelchair and face the challenges and hardships of life and impact on my friends and family.
But you seem to not understand this philosophy so we will start on a easy one for you whats.
1+1=.

What peice of safety equipment are you going to rat on next maybe safety harnesses cause they can squash your balls.
Christ you dribble a load of shit.
 

Mywifesirrational

I however am very normal. Trust me.
Your the one making the bold claims that they don't work
By all means shut me down... again.

Where did I say they didn't work? I said there was no evidence, completely different, But I am not sure you have the capacity to understand this.

Was a traumatic brain injury also included, or are you off you face on meds?.. Ice?

And more abuse, lol, because that's all you have on your side on this amusing Friday discussion.
 

jarrod839

Banned
By all means shut me down... again.

Where did I say they didn't work? I said there was no evidence, completely different, But I am not sure you have the capacity to understand this.

Was a traumatic brain injury also included, or are you off you face on meds?.. Ice?

And more abuse, lol, because that's all you have on your side on this amusing Friday discussion.
you seriously are a fucking halfwit and i eagerly await your proof of gods interception in my crash and not my leatt neck brace.
 

pink poodle

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You need to inspect for damage. After larger impacts you can crack the rear 'shelf' which reduces the amount of resistance to letting your head push back. Leatt have consitantly been dropping the overall height of their braces in the last few years which is reducing their claimed effectiveness anyway.
So perhaps a little more enduring than a helmet or more that damage is a bit more easy to spot?

This is marketing not research. Try again.
Are you saying those carbon testing videos from the Santa Cruz factory aren't scientific? Because they looked pretty real to me.

Single use mate if your helmet is impacted badly in a crash you must replace the brace aswell.
This is what I was thinking would he the case. Though they do appear to mostly be a plastic of some sort and not contain the layers of foam etc.


What peice of safety equipment are you going to rat on next maybe safety harnesses cause they can squash your balls.
I'm glad to know I'm not alone in enduring crushed balls syndrome. It is the price I pay for lugging around such a big set of last nuggets every day.
 

jarrod839

Banned
So perhaps a little more enduring than a helmet or more that damage is a bit more easy to spot?



Are you saying those carbon testing videos from the Santa Cruz factory aren't scientific? Because they looked pretty real to me.



This is what I was thinking would he the case. Though they do appear to mostly be a plastic of some sort and not contain the layers of foam etc.




I'm glad to know I'm not alone in enduring crushed balls syndrome. It is the price I pay for lugging around such a big set of last nuggets every day.
damage on a helmet is usually easier to spot than on a neck brace. You can have neck braces sent away to be inspected after a crash but not sure who still does it here. Just easier to buy a new one.
 

shmity

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Are you saying those carbon testing videos from the Santa Cruz factory aren't scientific? Because they looked pretty real to me.
Real yes, scientific no. Unless they quantify every part of the testing in the video, making it repeatable by anyone then it is little more than marketing. How do we know they were production frames and not layed up with extra carbon and reinforced in ways the frames you and I can buy aren't? We don't. How do we know the forces put in are what they say they are? We don't. Its not SCIENTIFIC. Science isn't mythbusters. Science is fastidious, documented, wholly honest and repeatable by anyone that wants to. Were they taking the piss and trying to pull a fast one? No I don't think so, but you never know and thats the point with neck braces. There isn't any publicly available, SCIENTIFIC research to say "yes these will help you in this range of injuries but wont help you in this, this and this" Nothing conducted by a lab or university. Alpinestars have supposedly done a lot of research on the performance of their neck braces. If it were for the better of our saftey as riders you would think they would release the findings. Instead its an internally held document and used as a marketing tool with small portions of it shown here and there.

how is that a load of shit moron. Are you another jesus lover that thinks god saves necks and not a neckbrace.
Im more into satan than jesus, but what you are laying down at the moment is not making you look very rational or well reasoned. Id say you're trolling but I think you think what you're dribbling is actually a good argument.


I am considering buying a neck brace, IMO they probably do help in more ways than they hinder, however the complete lack of any sort of independent testing means I'm buying into 1) Marketing 2) My own weighing up of Pros and Cons and 3) Hysterical internet arguments
 

jarrod839

Banned
Real yes, scientific no. Unless they quantify every part of the testing in the video, making it repeatable by anyone then it is little more than marketing. How do we know they were production frames and not layed up with extra carbon and reinforced in ways the frames you and I can buy aren't? We don't. How do we know the forces put in are what they say they are? We don't. Its not SCIENTIFIC. Science isn't mythbusters. Science is fastidious, documented, wholly honest and repeatable by anyone that wants to. Were they taking the piss and trying to pull a fast one? No I don't think so, but you never know and thats the point with neck braces. There isn't any publicly available, SCIENTIFIC research to say "yes these will help you in this range of injuries but wont help you in this, this and this" Nothing conducted by a lab or university. Alpinestars have supposedly done a lot of research on the performance of their neck braces. If it were for the better of our saftey as riders you would think they would release the findings. Instead its an internally held document and used as a marketing tool with small portions of it shown here and there.

Im more into satan than jesus, but what you are laying down at the moment is not making you look very rational or well reasoned. Id say you're trolling but I think you think what you're dribbling is actually a good argument.


I am considering buying a neck brace, IMO they probably do help in more ways than they hinder, however the complete lack of any sort of independent testing means I'm buying into 1) Marketing 2) My own weighing up of Pros and Cons and 3) Hysterical internet arguments
The satanic bible is a truly great read and insight into life and makes way more sense than the others. Im far from trolling im just standing up for what i know and have experienced from owning a leatt brace and to have a halfwit crap on that they don't work and there's no evidence that they work is a load of shit and that me still walking after a serious neck injury was a act of god and not my leatt neckbrace.
 

treble

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Jarrod, I don't think Mywifesirrational is trying to say that the neck brace didn't serve its purpose in the case of your crash and that god intervened.
He is saying there is no scientific data to suggest that neck braces are as effective as their marketing suggests, or the anecdotal evidence provided by users of neck braces suggests. Well, That he is aware of anyway. But, from previous discussions I have read, I believe this is this is somewhat his field of expertise.

Thats not to say they don't work at all. There are an unbelievable number of variables that determine the outcome of a mountain bike crash. it is impossible to pinpoint how effective a neck brace would be in an actual crash unless you can isolate all of the other variables. Thats where a study would come in. as yet, it seems there aren't any.

Back to the OP.
BDL, I think if you could get your kid to wearing kneepads, and try and convince him to use some slimmer, under jersey armour. you would be on a winner. Just show him Ratboy, he wears an MX roost guard in the WC races.. and the kids love him.. lol
 
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Mywifesirrational

I however am very normal. Trust me.
Im far from trolling im just standing up for what i know and have experienced from owning a leatt brace and to have a halfwit crap on that they don't work and there's no evidence that they work is a load of shit and that me still walking after a serious neck injury was a act of god and not my leatt neckbrace.
Correlation does not imply causation, you may not have lasted long enough in high school to make it to that science class.

Now you have shifted towards a divine entity? I'm still patiently waiting for you to post some evidence to support your claim that Leatt braces work, you are the one who stated there was evidence, the burden of proof is with you. We all know you won't be able to produce any...

Oh... wait, that's right, you have the marketing youtube clip as your evidence.
 

Spike-X

Grumpy Old Sarah
The satanic bible is a truly great read and insight into life and makes way more sense than the others. Im far from trolling im just standing up for what i know and have experienced from owning a leatt brace and to have a halfwit crap on that they don't work and there's no evidence that they work is a load of shit and that me still walking after a serious neck injury was a act of god and not my leatt neckbrace.
Just for the record, the only person who's mentioned the words 'Act of God' is you.
 

jarrod839

Banned
Jarrod, I don't think Mywifesirrational is trying to say that the neck brace didn't serve its purpose in the case of your crash and that god intervened.
He is saying there is no scientific data to suggest that neck braces are as effective as their marketing suggests, or the anecdotal evidence provided by users of neck braces suggests. Well, That he is aware of anyway. But, from previous discussions I have read, I believe this is this is somewhat his field of expertise.

Thats not to say they don't work at all. There are an unbelievable number of variables that determine the outcome of a mountain bike crash. it is impossible to pinpoint how effective a neck brace would be in an actual crash unless you can isolate all of the other variables. Thats where a study would come in. as yet, it seems there aren't any.
yes it is hard to pinpoint if they have worked or not in a crash. I have read many stories of people who have been wearing one and still broken necks and others who have walked away unharmed. Its the big what if question and its one that is hard to answer. I asked myself the same question after my accident if i wasn't wearing one what would have happened would i have walked away with a fractured T1 and no broken collarbone or vice versa or nothing or being worst case in a wheelchair. Ive done all the research on leatt neckbraces and others on the market on how they work and the piece of mind they offer. And to my knowledge and experience on that day the leatt brace performed as it was intended to and to even have the doctor in the ER who was a specialist in neck and spinal injurys and was fully aware of the function of a neckbrace confirm to me how the neckbrace helped me and how it worked.
Its enough proof and evidence for me that they do work as they are marketed and intended for.
 

jarrod839

Banned
Correlation does not imply causation, you may not have lasted long enough in high school to make it to that science class.

Now you have shifted towards a divine entity? I'm still patiently waiting for you to post some evidence to support your claim that Leatt braces work, you are the one who stated there was evidence, the burden of proof is with you. We all know you won't be able to produce any...

Oh... wait, that's right, you have the marketing youtube clip as your evidence.
i see you are still struggling with 1+1=.
If my neckbrace didn't save me from a broken neck then what did. Please explain.

I have all the proof that they work and your the one claiming they don't work.
 

jarrod839

Banned
Just for the record, the only person who's mentioned the words 'Act of God' is you.
well apparently my neckbrace is a useless piece of safety equipment and did nothing that day i crashed. So must of being some other divine intervention like god, mother nature or even possibly fairies.
 
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