School Drug Tests, opinions?
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Mo
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very right.
enjoi: you will hear this again for a long long time, there are other ways and i know one day you will realise it.
everyone tends to get a grip on things after some time.
however i'd like to know what is your daily intake if it's private then pm me.
fattyandthepiemakers
I ride an STP
Onya Enjoi! It's great to hear a view such as yours on this touche topic. You have said what some of us aren't brave enough to say on the internet... 
Dunc
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we had some coppers in to school to talk to us (the year 12's) about road accidents and stuff like that. what was related to taht was drug use. they told us that as soon as next year there will be similar to RBTs the equivelant for marijuana! they explained that it could detect any hash in your system for up to a month in the past!
watch out marijuana smokers!
these drug tests in schools? i dunno.. its pretty controversial. the tests would have to be random though? although the lady said it would only be twice a year some of the kids could just stop for a few weeks around a test date. easy. but the punishments dont sound very severe either. councelling? to your average hard ass that is pretty easy to push over. the kids who are generally using the drugs enjoy it so i suppose it would be easy to just go through councelling and convince everyone that your fine.
ive done that before with councelling, easy as to convince them that your fine.
watch out marijuana smokers!
these drug tests in schools? i dunno.. its pretty controversial. the tests would have to be random though? although the lady said it would only be twice a year some of the kids could just stop for a few weeks around a test date. easy. but the punishments dont sound very severe either. councelling? to your average hard ass that is pretty easy to push over. the kids who are generally using the drugs enjoy it so i suppose it would be easy to just go through councelling and convince everyone that your fine.
ive done that before with councelling, easy as to convince them that your fine.
That is one of the truest (sp???) things I've ever seen written on this site.
Zero tolerance creates policies of exclusion. Excluding children from the mainstream of society because they are "anti-social" becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for adult life and creates even greater problems. People with issues should be handled with greater care, effort and interest than those who are coping without and problems at all. Unless testing at school is used to identify future issues and indicate those who need greater assistance, a policy of testing will only create greater problems for the future.
I've no experience and very minimal education in these matters of social engineering. I became more involved in drugs when I left school and had money to spend on them. I did just fine back then and am still cruising now. Not all drug use predicts nor precedes social issues and costs.
treggs
Treggs Tuned
I was gonna type a bunch of stuff but S said it the way I wanted (and couldn't think of). Thanks S.
BTW I get "randomly" tested at least once a year in my job and they will show me the door if I'm positive. I don't have a problem with that because I fix planes....
Spend the money on getting the drugs off the street rather than telling them they can't do it. If they can't have them then they can't do em....
Let's not forget that illicit drugs are ILLEGAL for a reason. And so is booze for school kiddies. Perhaps their should be more focus on "Responsible parenting"....
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Yeah, but many of those reasons are stupid. Heroine is far more effective than morphine for medical procedures yet it cannot be used because it is 'illegal'. Marajuana is good for glaucoma patients, chemo patients, etc. but it is illegal so they go without. There are many good arguments against the drug policies of developed countries and I have no idea how to spell glaucoma.
Binaural
Eats Squid
Yeah, it's a very effect anti-nausea agent. And, it must be said, it helps you to relax during a very difficult time.
Mo
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i dont know about the medical properties of heroin but heroin gets synthesised (sp?) into morphine in your body so it can get absorbed.
marijuana as in thc is an anti puke drug. although some people still puke.
robmundall
Banned
I don't agree with you there,
When people drink drive/high drive, they are putting others lives at risk.
And people are doing it, it is evidand at the amount of people caught for drink driving and also the amount of crashes that involve alcohol on weekends (more than 50% to my memory).
If there is a way to combat this behavour THAT PUT'S OTHERS AT RISK I am all for it.
Now this is bullshit,
If someone tests positive for having smoked in last 30days or whatever do they get charged?
If so, that is wrong, unless it is putting others at risk I don't care.
If there is a way to test if the person is currently under the influnce of the drug and they are caught driving, I agree with it.
Like I said earlier, I don't not agree with this.
What I do out of school is none of there busniess, they have no right to tell me what to do out of school. I can smoke as much as I want and they can go do themselves.
Also, as another member said, Marijuana stays in you for 3months, where as the harder drugs like E can be detected for 3days.
This will cause kids to start using the harder drugs becaue they do not want to get caught and have to face there parent's (which I worry about the most).
Dunc
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well, its still illegal? doesnt matter if it was the last 30 days or not! if you stole a car thirty days ago and the cops caught you are they just going to let you go claiming that it was thirty days ago? i know thats a bad description but meh
sockman
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if you want to get hogh and forget just take valium!!
as has been said previously, only students who show signs of being on drugs or students who are preventing the other tudents from learning should be tested...
enjoi, it looks like we have a lot in common, and although i smoke the occasional cone, i still acheive bloody well academically(sp???)
S.
ex offender
Unless they have reason to believe you have been drinking or taking drugs (which is actually a fair call on a Saturday night in a rowdy area, for example, because a lot of people WILL have been drinking nearby), I don't believe they should be allowed to test you for it. It is quite literally Gestapo-like to check people for crimes without any reason to suspect they could or would have been involved in them, and this is exactly the same as the reason why police are not allowed to search your house without a warrant. Yeah "if you've got nothing to hide then why are you worried blah blah" - you are handing your personal rights and liberties to the government and/or associated "authorities" on a plate by simply accepting this kind of thing. Go for your life chucking away your own rights, but you ever try and take them from me and I'll tell you where to shove it. Oh and for what it's worth, the only laws I obey are the physical ones. If I happen to comply with governmental ones it's because it suits me, not because I agreed to their terms. Physics says they can try and punish me, it also says I can do whatever I like to avoid that punishment.
This situation is also different from accepting a job, as Treggs said, where the safety of other people hinges directly on you being able to certifiably perform your duties, and you accept this condition when you take the job. Doing this kind of crap in schools is a complete and utter waste of time - whether it will achieve anything is absolutely debatable (and I would guess that it would do fuck all good anyway), and at no stage does it ever allow the students the freedom to make their own choices. It's so easy to criticise kids for their lack of life experience and say they don't know what's good for them, but that's beside the point - they are at the point where it can reasonably be said that it's THEIR choice NOT YOURS. Yeah go nuts trying to educate/influence them, but making someone else's decisions for them when they have the faculties to do so, is absolutely THE most fundamental violation of human rights, and it underpins all the other kinds of tyranny.
Drizz
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Yes! All the self serving politicans are going to crash back to earth when their 13-18 yo offsprings get busted cause their father did bugger all to understand the life they living.
What always makes me wonder is that are these tests limited to public school only or both public and private school? I wouldn't be surprise the rate of drug addiction is roughly the same between well off private schools and public school in less well off suburbs.
Once again thank the media for coming up with yet another solution thats novel but do not solve the core problem, isn't this issue about teen drug addiction? How will tests stop teens from experimenting with drugs? There were similar talks of banning mobile phones in NSW schools because some 13 yo download topless chick on their phone. (I wouldn't even call it porn FFS) Good luck enforcing that!
Heres a novel solution of my own to drugs in school: Home schooling! Takes the whole peer pressure factor out of the equation. Now where can I find a journalist to drum up a story on ACA?
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floody
Wheel size expert
Fixed that.