Might work ok with poodle's special flexible seat.
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moorey
call me Mia
Rear just looks like old Marin to me.
scblack
Leucocholic
So its basically a rear linkage swing arm - with a headset at the end, with an added linkage for steering.
Its got to be adding a LOT of weight over a normal fork setup. Fork is still there, it just lacks a single steerer - but there is a short one in that headtube AND in the swingarm. That means two headsets. The linkage and shock are adding extra weight. The steering linkage adds weight (and is begging to be snapped). And you need extra engineering for the front linkage pivot points, on top of head tube strength.
Its interesting, but is answering a question that's not being asked.
It will be exciting for those attracted to the weird and ultra early adopters - you know like people who buy Alfa's after their last one had to be completely rebuilt, or the kind who expect a mechanic to sign off on work they didn't do. You know the kind of person.
Its got to be adding a LOT of weight over a normal fork setup. Fork is still there, it just lacks a single steerer - but there is a short one in that headtube AND in the swingarm. That means two headsets. The linkage and shock are adding extra weight. The steering linkage adds weight (and is begging to be snapped). And you need extra engineering for the front linkage pivot points, on top of head tube strength.
Its interesting, but is answering a question that's not being asked.
It will be exciting for those attracted to the weird and ultra early adopters - you know like people who buy Alfa's after their last one had to be completely rebuilt, or the kind who expect a mechanic to sign off on work they didn't do. You know the kind of person.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Its all carbon links and legs and one small shock - its not going to be much if at all weightier than a fork with all its gubbins.
i thought it was pretty simple - just a bunch of boring bearing links and a rear shock. Not really a lot to go wrong there...
The question its answering is - how can we make perfect small bump compliance at all times with no degradation in ride quality, how can we make it so its more stable under compression instead of less stable, and how can we make it as rigid as hell without 45mm legs?
i thought it was pretty simple - just a bunch of boring bearing links and a rear shock. Not really a lot to go wrong there...
The question its answering is - how can we make perfect small bump compliance at all times with no degradation in ride quality, how can we make it so its more stable under compression instead of less stable, and how can we make it as rigid as hell without 45mm legs?
Mr Crudley
Glock in your sock
Apparently Whyte had something to do with the Marin Rift Zone which isn't a bad thing
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pink poodle
気が狂っている男
Here you go again...another chance to prove your claims. Just cough up the goods and ride with a smile knowing you're at the forefront of technology.
As pointed out by moorey. If you want to get your hands on something with that rear end there should be plenty of unsold stock in the Marin warehouse!
That special seat is only adjustable in an up and down function.
I was going to say the same thing. That set up didn't last too long and rightly so. It was ugly as fuck.
pink poodle
気が狂っている男
I swear I posted these yesterday. Anyway here are some other ugly ideas on bike design:
The quest for small bump sensitivity is such a vaguely defined test. As long as you are driving your front wheel into these small bumps you will be negatively impacting the suspension performance. Perhaps learning a new technique is required?
The quest for small bump sensitivity is such a vaguely defined test. As long as you are driving your front wheel into these small bumps you will be negatively impacting the suspension performance. Perhaps learning a new technique is required?
scblack
Leucocholic
Nah, not much to go wrong......such as:
- TWO swingarms
- FOUR swingarm pivots (and eight bearings as it has a bearing each side I assume)
- TWO headsets
- TWO steerers
- ONE rear shock
- TWO shock pivot points
- THREE pivots on the Steering linkage thing - plus ONE steerer clamp
- TWO headtubes
I'm a bean-counter, not an engineer, but by my counting that really is a lot to go wrong there...
I would like to see the Cannondale version... as a lefty...
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
Yeah, but its all just cheap and reliable bearing pivots. Lot less hassle than a modern fork and all its complex and service intensive innards.
Either way, there wouldn't be much in it maintenance wise I suspect.
I think everyone is missing the point though - if its a performance improvement then that's a good thing right?
Either way, there wouldn't be much in it maintenance wise I suspect.
I think everyone is missing the point though - if its a performance improvement then that's a good thing right?
scblack
Leucocholic
IF its a performance improvement. Who can rate that for us? Does it Actually improve performance? Or just sound like it might?
scblack
Leucocholic
Yeh, like a recumbent too. Performance wise they do beat a road bike, but normal people will not use it.
(But hey - a lefty does not have better performance anyway.)
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
If is indeed the critical word. I for one would love a weekend on one to test it out!
Mr Crudley
Glock in your sock
Atleast the top two don't have the seat in prostate prodding mode. Not that you would actually sit down on the Orange, but, y'know......
Damping wise it cant possibly be an improvement. A rear shock has less oil and air volume than a fork, metric shocks became a thing to chase extra millimetres for the exact reason that more volume in both of those things will increase performance, and these guys want to throw all of that away for linkage driven reasons that are hazy at best.
Mr Crudley
Glock in your sock
Hmm, why not make it look good with great performance at the same time. This is why people will still ogle finely CNC'ed bikes bits but give no care for SLX components despite it may be technically better.
Mr Crudley
Glock in your sock
Anyhow, this is the new thread that won't die.
Finally as esteemed MTB engineer spills the beans on the enigma of marketing shiny new MTB's.
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Finally as esteemed MTB engineer spills the beans on the enigma of marketing shiny new MTB's.
[video=youtube_share;Jj0uBQ7j5c4]https://youtu.be/Jj0uBQ7j5c4[/video]
Flow-Rider
Burner
That laugh is fabulous.
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