Bit of both, depends who we're actually talking about. For Turnbull it's the will of the people, for the conservatives its a delaying tactic.
Not sure who you're referring to but if its Abetz, Bernardi and friends it's the opposite, they said they'd vote with their conscience regardless
That's not correct, there was actually a lot of talk about hate campaigns and whatnot around a pleb. Maybe not from shorten and others but Plibersek, colleagues and the Greens were most definitely saying these things right from the get-go.
MAthias Cormann stood put, , even the poodle
No, absolutely not. You're assuming that a non-binding pleb would have already resulted in passed legislation and that's a masssssssive assumption as there are people in Labor who are against it as well and would work to sabotage it.
Secondly, since when do we vote on how to apply rights in this country? We're a liberal democracy, we shouldn't be voting on aboriginal rights to vote, women's rights to vote, equal pay, equal access, etc. Since when does restricting rights on the base of identity and beliefs even get open to deliberation? That kind of shit doesn't get put to a vote and never should have in history either. We are not a liberal democracy if we pull that sort of shit in this country.
It's a seriously big call to vote against the will of the people - one that would certainly result in an election loss.
You seem prett excited about the concept. If it were indeed an application of rights, there would be no need at all for parliament, because the courts would apply rights. It's easy to take almost any subject and loudly proclaim it's a Human right or whatever, but that test is one for the courts
You don't get rights to polygamy in this country do you? What your beliefs are don't confer rights, rights just aren't as absolute as people like to think they are.
All of the polls tell me, it would pass with flying colours. There is huge advantage to that - the people who think it's a bad idea, have to accept that the world they live in disagrees with them, they cannot deny it. Rest assured when parliament makes unilateral decisions, there are people who are left out and won't accept the outcome especially if it's along party lines.
Inclusion is about getting as many people enrolled as you can, not carrying it by 51 to 49
I've watched in the last 3 years an opportunity to involve the conservatives on gay marriage be completely wasted such that tony Abbott got his chance to be his divisive self in the last couple of days.
There is no hate in the middle of Australian society for gay marriage, it's bullshit invented by wedge politics.
Maybe I am too optimistic, I saw it as a win when TA was forced to bring in a policy of involving the public. All this fighting - reminds me of the republic debate