The election thread - Two middle-late aged white men trying to be blokey and convincing..., same old shit, FFS.

Who will you vote for?

  • Liberals

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Labor

    Votes: 21 30.9%

  • Nationals

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Greens

    Votes: 21 30.9%

  • Independant

    Votes: 15 22.1%

  • The Clive Palmer shit show

    Votes: 4 5.9%

  • Shooters and Fishers Party

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • One Nation

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Donkey/Invalid vote

    Votes: 3 4.4%
  • Total voters
    68
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LPG said:
What relevance does the categories sports people have in their competitions have on any of this? Let the sporting codes sort their shit out. It isn't political and shouldn't be made to be.
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What relevance, fuck me.
Maybe the fact it's only men wanting to complete against women, not women wanting to compete against men. I wonder why.
If you don't see that there is no point answering any of your questions
 
safreek said:
What relevance, fuck me.
Maybe the fact it's only men wanting to complete against women, not women wanting to compete against men. I wonder why.
If you don't see that there is no point answering any of your questions
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This is a politics thread, UCI doping rules aren't discussed here, neither are formula one sanctioned engine parameters. Why is the rules surrounding gender assignment in sporting relevant?
 
LPG said:
This is a politics thread, UCI doping rules aren't discussed here, neither are formula one sanctioned engine parameters. Why is the rules surrounding gender assignment in sporting relevant?
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Your kidding right, sport has nothing to do politics. Since when.
You also said let the relevant sporting bodies make their rules. I think the actual supporters should have a say, without them the top grade sport makes no money, no sponsorship no nothing. I think they should have a major say.

You do realize that football has been pushing the "yes" perspective of the referendum, but not political I guess.

Good luck to them for pushing their view, does not seem to have cost them viewers, certainly political though
 
safreek said:
Your kidding right, sport has nothing to do politics. Since when.
You also said let the relevant sporting bodies make their rules. I think the actual supporters should have a say, without them the top grade sport makes no money, no sponsorship no nothing. I think they should have a major say.

You do realize that football has been pushing the "yes" perspective of the referendum, but not political I guess.

Good luck to them for pushing their view, does not seem to have cost them viewers, certainly political though
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If it is relevant why hasn't the pm or other politicians been asked to comment on doping rules or scandals in cycling, weight lifting and other sports?

If you haven't clicked on I am trying to make you realise that certain groups are tying to fabricate outrage in the community and direct it at trans people and they are using sport as a battleground to divide people on trans rights. It isn't any more relevant to politics than different types of doping or just cheating in sport or similar.
 
LPG said:
If it is relevant why hasn't the pm or other politicians been asked to comment on doping rules or scandals in cycling, weight lifting and other sports?

If you haven't clicked on I am trying to make you realise that certain groups are tying to fabricate outrage in the community and direct it at trans people and they are using sport as a battleground to divide people on trans rights. It isn't any more relevant to politics than different types of doping or just cheating in sport or similar.
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Yeah but it's not just the hating groups that are pushing it. It's all about fairness in our society.
If you want to be what you want to be, fine.

But look at the difference in strength of the w people I posted, it's about reality not an idea
 
safreek said:
Yeah but it's not just the hating groups that are pushing it. It's all about fairness in our society.
If you want to be what you want to be, fine.

But look at the difference in strength of the w people I posted, it's about reality not an idea
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So why aren't other forms of cheating and loopholes in sports also deemed about "fairness in society" if it isn't about dividing people?
 
LPG said:
If it is relevant why hasn't the pm or other politicians been asked to comment on doping rules or scandals in cycling, weight lifting and other sports?

If you haven't clicked on I am trying to make you realise that certain groups are tying to fabricate outrage in the community and direct it at trans people and they are using sport as a battleground to divide people on trans rights. It isn't any more relevant to politics than different types of doping or just cheating in sport or similar.
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Totally different, drugs are totally different to
LPG said:
So why aren't other forms of cheating and loopholes in sports also deemed about "fairness in society" if it isn't about dividing people?
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Because it's generally same sex cheating. Lance Armstrong cheated against other men, transgender cheat by competition against a sex that a biologically weaker physically. Just a fact, not my opinion.

The fact that you compare this to other forms of performance enhancement amazes me. Totally different.
 
I'm curious, how many competitive male athletes are having a sex change purely to get a win they can't against the blokes?

I think this is what you're saying yes? That men are transitioning purely to win at sport? That is extraordinary commitment to their training...

Because otherwise I imagine the Venn diagram of high-level athletes and people transitioning would not have a lot of overlap. Not enough to get so bent out of shape about it anyway.
 
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We have an important referendum coming up and shit shows for pollies so let's leave the trans stuff here. If anyone wants to discuss further create a new thread. I might even migrate the posts there. I will delete any more trans posts in this thread from now.

I prepolled due to taking the mobile accom to a cattle property. Quite a low IQ demonstration on the no side. I was 20m or more away from the entrance talking on my phone and was approached. Luckily fuck off seemed to work.
 
safreek said:
Totally different, drugs are totally different to

Because it's generally same sex cheating. Lance Armstrong cheated against other men, transgender cheat by competition against a sex that a biologically weaker physically. Just a fact, not my opinion.

The fact that you compare this to other forms of performance enhancement amazes me. Totally different.
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So men can cheat other men out of sporting achievements via loopholes or plain cheating and it not be political, a woman can cheat another woman out of a sporting achievement and not be political but in the near nonexistent case where a man as born possibly cheats or has an advantage on a woman out of a sporting achievement through a loophole or not well developed sporting regulation it is suddenly political? You are acting like this is common sense but it makes zero sense to me.
 
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