Why I don't ride road anymore

Former AFL star Glenn Archer has admitted careless driving after knocking down a cyclist while overtaking him on a suburban Melbourne road.

The former North Melbourne captain and premiership player was driving a truck and towing a trailer and excavator when he overtook the cyclist on Rosanna Road in Heidelberg on January 11.

When traffic in front of him built up, Archer merged back into the left lane of the dual lane road but hadn’t yet cleared the cyclist’s path.
The man was knocked off his bike onto the kerb, and his bike became tangled in the trailer’s wheel arch. Archer failed to stop, claiming he didn’t realise he’d hit the man.

But the incident was captured on dashcam footage by another driver, and included branding for Archer’s tree lopping company which allowed police to track him down.
Paramedics took the cyclist to hospital where he was treated for three broken ribs, swelling to one knee, neck pain and grazing over his body.

Archer pleaded guilty in Heidelberg Magistrates’ Court on Thursday to a charge of careless driving.

The victim, who was in court, said he suffers constant headaches and flashbacks and said his life will never be the same again.

The man had to cancel a family trip to Europe and said his life now consists of surgery and rehabilitation multiple times a day.
Archer told police said he had “absolutely zero idea” that he had hit someone.
“If I knew I hit someone, I’m definitely stopping,” he said.
After watching footage of the collision he admitted his driving could definitely be considered careless.

Archer’s lawyer told the court his client is on the road all day, every day as the owner of his tree lopping business.

He apologised to the cyclist through his lawyer, having been discouraged by police from reaching out personally.
Archer was convicted and fined $1500. The offence carries a maximum penalty of $2200.
“It has had a considerable impact on the victim, albeit that it may have been unintentional,” magistrate Timothy Hoare said.

Archer kicked 143 goals in 311 games for the Kangaroos between 1992 and 2007.
Of course they have put in how many goals he kicked, WGAF :rolleyes:
 
" The former North Melbourne captain and premiership player " and " Archer kicked 143 goals in 311 games for the Kangaroos between 1992 and 2007. "
How is that all relevant?
 
" The former North Melbourne captain and premiership player " and " Archer kicked 143 goals in 311 games for the Kangaroos between 1992 and 2007. "
How is that all relevant?
It proves that he deserves better treatment than someone who hasn't.
 
" The former North Melbourne captain and premiership player " and " Archer kicked 143 goals in 311 games for the Kangaroos between 1992 and 2007. "
How is that all relevant?

If anything it should predispose our opinions of the quality of character.
 
The bloke drives an excavator and probably suffers from a cognitive brain injury... other than migration detention I'm not sure what could be harsher?
(for a start) Having your wife fucking Wayne Carey. He still should have got more than a $1500 fine, that's bullshit. CTE - degenerative Brain condition, from too many hits to the head, should mean that such drivers should be held more accountable, not less, IMO.
 
Former AFL star Glenn Archer

Archer kicked 143 goals in 311 games for the Kangaroos between 1992 and 2007.
The lack of relevance to how many times he kicked a ball between two posts, for a particular period of time, kind of speaks to the whole outcome of this story. :(

I commute to work fairly often, and I'm pretty lucky that there's a new shared pathway most of the way, but I do have to ride a section of the highway that while it has a good verge, a mate of mine was run down by a truck and it was a miracle that he wasn't killed. It does go through my mind when I ride that section.
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Just wow!

It's always a reminder of the psychos you share the road with.


WA Police have charged a man with murder over the death of a cyclist on Friday afternoon, as they probe a potential property dispute between the two parties.

The victim was riding on Lion Street in Carlisle at about 1:45pm when it's alleged he was approached by a 27-year-old man driving a grey Kia Carnival station sedan.

Police allege the cyclist was hit by the Kia, and dragged under the vehicle.




 
Just wow!

It's always a reminder of the psychos you share the road with.


WA Police have charged a man with murder over the death of a cyclist on Friday afternoon, as they probe a potential property dispute between the two parties.

The victim was riding on Lion Street in Carlisle at about 1:45pm when it's alleged he was approached by a 27-year-old man driving a grey Kia Carnival station sedan.

Police allege the cyclist was hit by the Kia, and dragged under the vehicle.





This one is less about cyclist hate but it's still sad.
 
I have to say as long time road rider (starting out as the most despised road riders of all - a bikini wearing triathlete) I have noticed the general behaviour by motorists has improved. 20 years ago nearly once a week I'd have had an argument with a motorist (on the road 6 days).

The biggest problem today, is the volume of traffic. I used to be able to ride south to Waterfall at 5am to 6am and see a handfull of cars. Now at 5am it's not far short of peak hour. All the new housing in north Wollongong all commuting to Sydney. I won't take on that volume by myself any more. Also another reason I built a gravel bike so I can detour around the dangerous bits.
 
I have to say as long time road rider (starting out as the most despised road riders of all - a bikini wearing triathlete) I have noticed the general behaviour by motorists has improved. 20 years ago nearly once a week I'd have had an argument with a motorist (on the road 6 days).

The biggest problem today, is the volume of traffic. I used to be able to ride south to Waterfall at 5am to 6am and see a handfull of cars. Now at 5am it's not far short of peak hour. All the new housing in north Wollongong all commuting to Sydney. I won't take on that volume by myself any more. Also another reason I built a gravel bike so I can detour around the dangerous bits.
That's interesting to know. As someone with not that much road riding experience, I wouldn't know if it was better or worse now, but I suppose you see it on social media more now and that amplifies the hate.
Hopefully one day it can be like it is over in Europe, as everyone I know that's cycled over there says it's like light and day with how much respect there is on the roads for bike riders compared to here.
 
That's interesting to know. As someone with not that much road riding experience, I wouldn't know if it was better or worse now, but I suppose you see it on social media more now and that amplifies the hate.
Hopefully one day it can be like it is over in Europe, as everyone I know that's cycled over there says it's like light and day with how much respect there is on the roads for bike riders compared to here.
Around the Sutherland Shire in Sydney cyclists have been on the roads forever and I think I can say generally the acceptance (and even respect - which goes both ways) is pretty good today. I am 66 and I can recall as a kid of 5 going on picnics around the RNP and further south like the Burgh and Stanwell Park and seeing cyclists even then (in small and large groups). I recall the helmet precursors that looked something like the padded head gear some kids wore in Rugby and League.

Talk about respect; it goes both ways. You don't go sitting right out in the middle of the road holding up traffic when there is more than enough room to move to the left a bit and let the traffic pass.

There was a rider around here recently, he wasn't quite right in the head, he would deliberately sit out in the middle of the road, especially going uphill where he was at his slowest. I saw him even move over the centre line to stop cars from overtaking him. He did that to me on one occasion when I was driving. Another time when I was riding past he wanted to be my brother 🤣 Encounters were littering the community facebook page. Anyone that rightly used the horn on him got a verbal spray about how they were racist, as he was indigenous (at least partly).

I don't see him any more riding around, I expect those tactics eventually got him either run over or arrested and his bike confiscated. Obviously, that kind of thing is a rarity, but as a road cyclist you really need to develop a good "road sense" for your own self preservation. That's why I always recommend anyone wanting ride on the road join their local cycling club. Every club has a bunch of organised rides and they have been refined over the years with local knowledge of traffic conditions, peak times to avoid and the quieter bits of road to use. This communal knowledge will help accelerate the development of good road sense.

I see newbies riding in places they just shouldn't be and doing stupid things, like for example, at some sets of light there are 2 right turning lanes, and they are are sitting in the rightmost one. As soon as they do the turn they are going to want to move over to the left. It's stupid and is going to piss motorists off, and might even get them a Darwin award. The point is for a while there before Covid, cycling was the new golf, and the roads were being filled with gumbies that got the frothers hating cyclists and of course the media would pick that up do the story - you only had to look at the online comments from motorists (what moderation?).

Most of that is just noise and not reality. Don't get me wrong, the road is a dangerous place and the sentence for stupidity can be death - the really unfortunate part, it's not alway's the cyclist's stupidity. There are a lot of incompetent drivers out there too and the vast majority of cycling fatalities and severe injuries are just accidents. It sounds counter intuitive but the best you can hope for is a rev head trying to give you a scare, they predominantly know what they are doing with a vehicle and they won't hit you. They have that precise situational awareness and know where their car is placed to the millimetre.
 
Around the Sutherland Shire in Sydney cyclists have been on the roads forever and I think I can say generally the acceptance (and even respect - which goes both ways) is pretty good today. I am 66 and I can recall as a kid of 5 going on picnics around the RNP and further south like the Burgh and Stanwell Park and seeing cyclists even then (in small and large groups). I recall the helmet precursors that looked something like the padded head gear some kids wore in Rugby and League.

Talk about respect; it goes both ways. You don't go sitting right out in the middle of the road holding up traffic when there is more than enough room to move to the left a bit and let the traffic pass.

There was a rider around here recently, he wasn't quite right in the head, he would deliberately sit out in the middle of the road, especially going uphill where he was at his slowest. I saw him even move over the centre line to stop cars from overtaking him. He did that to me on one occasion when I was driving. Another time when I was riding past he wanted to be my brother 🤣 Encounters were littering the community facebook page. Anyone that rightly used the horn on him got a verbal spray about how they were racist, as he was indigenous (at least partly).

I don't see him any more riding around, I expect those tactics eventually got him either run over or arrested and his bike confiscated. Obviously, that kind of thing is a rarity, but as a road cyclist you really need to develop a good "road sense" for your own self preservation. That's why I always recommend anyone wanting ride on the road join their local cycling club. Every club has a bunch of organised rides and they have been refined over the years with local knowledge of traffic conditions, peak times to avoid and the quieter bits of road to use. This communal knowledge will help accelerate the development of good road sense.

I see newbies riding in places they just shouldn't be and doing stupid things, like for example, at some sets of light there are 2 right turning lanes, and they are are sitting in the rightmost one. As soon as they do the turn they are going to want to move over to the left. It's stupid and is going to piss motorists off, and might even get them a Darwin award. The point is for a while there before Covid, cycling was the new golf, and the roads were being filled with gumbies that got the frothers hating cyclists and of course the media would pick that up do the story - you only had to look at the online comments from motorists (what moderation?).

Most of that is just noise and not reality. Don't get me wrong, the road is a dangerous place and the sentence for stupidity can be death - the really unfortunate part, it's not alway's the cyclist's stupidity. There are a lot of incompetent drivers out there too and the vast majority of cycling fatalities and severe injuries are just accidents. It sounds counter intuitive but the best you can hope for is a rev head trying to give you a scare, they predominantly know what they are doing with a vehicle and they won't hit you. They have that precise situational awareness and know where their car is placed to the millimetre.
You are right, there are a few riders that make a bad example for everyone else, and we all get tarred with the same brush. I see the bike hate spilling over to mountain biking even though it isn't mutually exclusive.

I think road riding in Europe is more "normal" so people relate to it more, so you get less angst.
 
Just as many still on phones tho. Even if they hate you, they still have to make a decision to kill you. The opps I didn't see you, must be your fault 'cos you didn't wear a orange beacon light on your head (Has nothing to do with the fact that I'm surprisingly up to date on my 'socials') cares not for opinion.
 
Just as many still on phones tho. Even if they hate you, they still have to make a decision to kill you. The opps I didn't see you, must be your fault 'cos you didn't wear a orange beacon light on your head (Has nothing to do with the fact that I'm surprisingly up to date on my 'socials') cares not for opinion.


You didn't have a bell! How was I supposed to know you were there?
 
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