pink poodle
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Coke? Don't they do urine testing for that stuff?
If you want core that is more fun than weights etc, indoor rock climbing.
WTF have I done? A First Race Journey
- Thread starter Minlak
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If you want core that is more fun than weights etc, indoor rock climbing.
Calvin27
Eats Squid
Agree, agree, agree. But I maintain distances are open to interpretation if you're delirious!
And yeah coke, e, ice all good. Just don't do dope or you'll get hungry fast.
steve jobs' pancreas
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Why not use weed? Ultramarathoners do... http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-debate-over-running-while-high-1423500590
pink poodle
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Come on! This shit has been going on for ages and we still don't have a stool sample to make an accurate analysis of your nutritional needs. Get to it.
steve jobs' pancreas
Eats Squid
Dogs and poo eh ? Nothing changes.
I have it in my mind to complete the full fling sometime, not sure if I should try for the next one.
Longest I have done is the Husky 50, going double is a bit scary.
I have it in my mind to complete the full fling sometime, not sure if I should try for the next one.
Longest I have done is the Husky 50, going double is a bit scary.
SF Trailboy
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Having done all three sections of the fling - have done the half individually and then the 55km Wingello stage as part of a team, I definetly do not recommend the full fling as a first up 100km race. The Wingello section alone had 1200m of climbing... Look for something at least a little bit flatter would be my tip....
Yep, I did that year too. but only the half. On very little riding in the 6-8 months before.
36 degrees in August???? couldn't believe it.
The 50 started with a fairly steep climb which had most people walking. And while we were all slowly pushing our bikes up, Chris Jongeward rode past us like it was flat.
Minlak
custom titis
Ok So recent news:-
I did 30KM yesterday with 560m elevation and 3hrs 10 mins moving time that's an average moving speed just under 10kms/hr. And I was completely exhausted at the end of it.
I have been speaking to a lot of people that ride a long way and taking in advice from these forums and changed ideas on training.
First Month:-
Monday / Wednesday / Friday will be HIIT training in the Gym
Tuesday / Thursday 1hr ish ride on the road bike.
Saturday will be gentle ride for 3 - 4Hrs
Sunday will be 3 - 4hrs with elevation
I am going to probably go back to 2 x 10 set up as well with a 32t / 26t.
I am looking for suggestions on tires for the day too. I am thinking a Maxxis Ardent Race Rear with an Ikon front?
I did 30KM yesterday with 560m elevation and 3hrs 10 mins moving time that's an average moving speed just under 10kms/hr. And I was completely exhausted at the end of it.
I have been speaking to a lot of people that ride a long way and taking in advice from these forums and changed ideas on training.
First Month:-
Monday / Wednesday / Friday will be HIIT training in the Gym
Tuesday / Thursday 1hr ish ride on the road bike.
Saturday will be gentle ride for 3 - 4Hrs
Sunday will be 3 - 4hrs with elevation
I am going to probably go back to 2 x 10 set up as well with a 32t / 26t.
I am looking for suggestions on tires for the day too. I am thinking a Maxxis Ardent Race Rear with an Ikon front?
Calvin27
Eats Squid
Wow, you have a lot of training to do!
On the flipside, it looks like you are firmly committed with a decent plan so very achievable in 3 months. Good luck mate, and keep the updates coming.
SF Trailboy
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I'd switch your tyre combo the other way. Ardent race up front and Ikon rear. FWIW I'm a fat fuck XC'er (think 105kg) and I run ardent race front and rear..... Good luck with your training btw I would be making sure you rest at some points, your body will need the recovery.... I try and ride a 50-60km race every 3 months and basically just do the riding part of your plan, I find I can do it (50km no issues - takes about 3.15- 3.45 hours depending on elevation gain etc), so after 3 months you will be fine. Don't expect to be fast but with that training under your belt you wont finish last either...... I would even consider a 24 tooth little ring, particularly if you are only going a 32 big one, I run 36/24 currently....
pharmaboy
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Can I argue?
If Monday Tuesday Wednesday is because you can't possibly get any riding in, I get that - but that amount of intervals is the sort of thing roadies do because they don't do interval work when on the bike - mtbers otoh do intervals all the time - they are called hills.
Seriously. Get some lights and stick a decent intensity 2 hr plus ride mid week in - a Tuesday, we'd or Thursday will do as long as you have follow it up with a big ride.
How you respond to training is an individual thing, but there's plenty of big gains to be made in just a month or 2 of increased training hours. Being absolutely stuffed is good .
If anything, swap them around
Hey Minlak - been looking at and thinking about your training plan for a couple of days now.
My biggest concern would be the lack of recovery days in your schedule and also you haven't talked about recovery weeks.
Most (not all) theories on physical and neuro-physical adaptation talk about exercise tearing down the muscles and then gains being made in the recovery/rebuilding phases.
Recovery/rest days/weeks don't mean a total rest but do mean a drop in volume compared to your normal weeks without dropping the intensity of each session.
A lot of the training plans I've looked and some that I've used have worked on a 3 week cycle with a big first week, bigger second week, then a recovery week.
Having said all that, it also has to fit into the rest of your life.
Good luck!
My biggest concern would be the lack of recovery days in your schedule and also you haven't talked about recovery weeks.
Most (not all) theories on physical and neuro-physical adaptation talk about exercise tearing down the muscles and then gains being made in the recovery/rebuilding phases.
Recovery/rest days/weeks don't mean a total rest but do mean a drop in volume compared to your normal weeks without dropping the intensity of each session.
A lot of the training plans I've looked and some that I've used have worked on a 3 week cycle with a big first week, bigger second week, then a recovery week.
Having said all that, it also has to fit into the rest of your life.
Good luck!
Minlak
custom titis
Time for a bit of an update:-
I am regularly riding 40km's on the trails now in a session takes me just on 3 hrs normally. The elevation isn't as high as I would like and there are other options for more elevation at this stage I am just pushing actual time in the saddle.
I decided instead of going to the Epic as a complete virgin I am going to race round 2 of the wide bay series tomorrow. It is a 3hr ride with as many laps as you can do in the 3hrs. Will be around 40 to 50 people on a 9km course so should give me a bit of an idea. Its only a local race thing so it's kind of like just putting the tip in or only doing it in the butt its not really taking my virginity.
Road 25kms in 2hrs today and felt like shit might have a flu coming in so if I don't die tomorrow I will report results.
I have gone back to spd's instead of flats as well so getting used to that again.
I am about to buy a trainer to get more k's in during the week. I am going to give this a bit of a go http://www.zwift.com/index seems like a bit of fun. I will hook it up to the 60" plasma and smash out some k's most nights.
Going to pair it up with this. I know its not the same as trail riding but I have had a few close calls in the last couple of weeks on the road and it isn't practical for me to get to the trails during the week.
I am regularly riding 40km's on the trails now in a session takes me just on 3 hrs normally. The elevation isn't as high as I would like and there are other options for more elevation at this stage I am just pushing actual time in the saddle.
I decided instead of going to the Epic as a complete virgin I am going to race round 2 of the wide bay series tomorrow. It is a 3hr ride with as many laps as you can do in the 3hrs. Will be around 40 to 50 people on a 9km course so should give me a bit of an idea. Its only a local race thing so it's kind of like just putting the tip in or only doing it in the butt its not really taking my virginity.
Road 25kms in 2hrs today and felt like shit might have a flu coming in so if I don't die tomorrow I will report results.
I have gone back to spd's instead of flats as well so getting used to that again.
I am about to buy a trainer to get more k's in during the week. I am going to give this a bit of a go http://www.zwift.com/index seems like a bit of fun. I will hook it up to the 60" plasma and smash out some k's most nights.
Going to pair it up with this. I know its not the same as trail riding but I have had a few close calls in the last couple of weeks on the road and it isn't practical for me to get to the trails during the week.
ninjananna
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That looks cool !!!
Minlak
custom titis
So cough "Raced" on Sunday for my first ever race. By raced I mean trundled around for 2 measly laps in 3 hrs of a 10Km Circuit with 150m of elevation per lap. I went for a ride Saturday that I normally have no trouble with and was stuffed and on Sunday I didn't feel like riding at all but went out anyway. I am now burdened with a flu or cold or virus or some such so whilst it doesn't excuse the poor showing it somewhat answers why. It was ok most of the other riders were friendly and I was only run off the track by the 2 leaders who were neck and neck for most of the race.
On the trainer front I have just ordered a TACX T2180 it is actually a "Smart Trainer" and will fully integrate into the Zwift program and allow the program to control when there is supposed to be a hill etc. It can replicate up to a 7% climb. I couldn't justify the Bushido (another $300) for 15% climbs. Going to build myself a new gaming computer today to run it on and build myself a little simulator with TV screens.
On the trainer front I have just ordered a TACX T2180 it is actually a "Smart Trainer" and will fully integrate into the Zwift program and allow the program to control when there is supposed to be a hill etc. It can replicate up to a 7% climb. I couldn't justify the Bushido (another $300) for 15% climbs. Going to build myself a new gaming computer today to run it on and build myself a little simulator with TV screens.
Minlak
custom titis
Ok race is one week away time for a final synopsis before the fateful day
*Training:- Horrible not even close to plan. I have been battling a stuffed hamstring a sore back / stuffed Achilles tendon. Had an off today and have done some damage to my leg and calf muscles. Also pretty stiff in one forearm and the chest.
*Bike:- Going with 1 x 11 set up. 28t Front and 11-42 rear. I have recently changed my rear brake pads to sintered pads and I don't think they work as well as the Hope original. I have left it too late to get pads by the race day and lets face it I wont be at the pointy end. Going to run Ardent Race rear / Ardent front and have just replaced all bearings / bottom bracket / drive train.
Nutrition:- Is sorted going to be using Hammer Perpetuem / gels / bars during the race.
I am optimistic still about finishing even though I feel 100% under trained and didn't lose anywhere near as much weight as I would have liked.
*Training:- Horrible not even close to plan. I have been battling a stuffed hamstring a sore back / stuffed Achilles tendon. Had an off today and have done some damage to my leg and calf muscles. Also pretty stiff in one forearm and the chest.
*Bike:- Going with 1 x 11 set up. 28t Front and 11-42 rear. I have recently changed my rear brake pads to sintered pads and I don't think they work as well as the Hope original. I have left it too late to get pads by the race day and lets face it I wont be at the pointy end. Going to run Ardent Race rear / Ardent front and have just replaced all bearings / bottom bracket / drive train.
Nutrition:- Is sorted going to be using Hammer Perpetuem / gels / bars during the race.
I am optimistic still about finishing even though I feel 100% under trained and didn't lose anywhere near as much weight as I would have liked.
