At a Cafe on the Sunshine Coast. Woman walking around with a tee shirt calling out government conspiracies about covid. I said to my wife you know what that is? That is what stupid looks like. Many giggles from adjacent tables.
because it is private propertyJust driving through the main road at the bottom of the Mystic now has quite a 'private property' feel to it.
Yes 2 operators so far at Fox.Thought Fox Creek shuttles were done by more than one operator - fox run and escape Goat come to mind?
Derby trail networks are on public land arent they?
Mystic looks like one operator only, blue dirt. But as far as I know mystic is on private land held by a plantation company.
Jesus, how do you think i feel...?!Ive not missed it, ive chosen to ignore it and go scrub my eyeballs with ajax instead.
a lot goes into running an enterprise like that. I cant say definitively what those costs cover, but I'm in no doubt an actuary at some point will have done the maths for the risks posed by users of the park which will have informed insurance costs, maintenance etc. SO while im sure money is being made, i dont particularly begrudge a private enterprise for running how they do on private land.Yes 2 operators so far at Fox.
At both Fox and Derby you can choose to do private shuttles of you want.
I read the whole Mystic bullshit story back when it happened, unsure if the access road was private or the logging company pulled the safety card, or someone pulled the safety card for them.
Anyhow... safety takes a back seat when you pay your private shuttle fee of $132 a day.
Morses Creek Rd is private property? How are you supposed to get to Wandiligong, hire a helicopter?because it is private property
If I was a potential shuttle operator, I would be asking for safeguards on my investment. 15-20 seater bus and shuttle trailer at ~100k, insurance and possibly a career change to run the company.a lot goes into running an enterprise like that. I cant say definitively what those costs cover, but I'm in no doubt an actuary at some point will have done the maths for the risks posed by users of the park which will have informed insurance costs, maintenance etc. SO while im sure money is being made, i dont particularly begrudge a private enterprise for running how they do on private land.
Why stop at two?Once we go down the rabbit hole of shittiness from local governments, we will never recover. Corrupt, inept, arrogant. Pick two.
Don't know, will ask Moorey and get back to you.Jesus, how do you think i feel...?!
Bronny's Taxi Service...hire a helicopter?
Mystic bike park is on private property.Morses Creek Rd is private property? How are you supposed to get to Wandiligong, hire a helicopter?
Wouldn't any new business ?If I was a potential shuttle operator, I would be asking for safeguards on my investment. 15-20 seater bus and shuttle trailer at ~100k, insurance and possibly a career change to run the company.
Innovate or fail. Keeping a business a float (small or large) isn't the responsibility of the government + tax payer, and even more so at the expense of competition.so whats your solution to driving a competetive and profitable market for all participants where there just isnt a market for it?
In need of a cuddle and a nap.Jesus, how do you think i feel...?!
The govt and tax payers just kept large and small Australian business afloat during the first 12 months of the pandemic. If they hadn't we'd arguably be much worse off today. I know it's not the same, but your statement was quite broad.Innovate or fail. Keeping a business a float (small or large) isn't the responsibility of the government + tax payer, and even more so at the expense of competition.
Statement was abroad as you want it to be. I believe in Victoria that is called a behind? You know...where you miss the mark, but get a point for having a crack at it.The govt and tax payers just kept large and small Australian business afloat during the first 12 months of the pandemic. If they hadn't we'd arguably be much worse off today. I know it's not the same, but your statement was quite broad.
I agree with the sentiment that its not the responsibility of the govt, as it's also not their responsibility to generate demand to create a healthy environment for said competition. But "Innovate or fail" also isn't a solution to creating demand in a market that has a objectively small population that can be serviced by the existing infrastructure/services. That just has the potential to replace one business with another. Thats puts that argument back to square one. It's a lift to the top of a mountain, there's not much to innovate. Short of teleportation or helidrops all day for 100bucks, I can't see innovating that service in a meaningfull way that will attract new business or more business from the same cohort.
I mean if you want to try it and compete with some other dude with a van, I agree there shouldn't be govt roadblocks if it's on public land like a nationL park etc, but I also don't think there is benefit to letting services fail. I don't believe that if an application for a permit to run a service on public land showed social and financial benefits to local business and council with zero downside (and this is key - as such additional service could be a detriment to the surrounds in a number of ways), that it would be denied. If it did then there are several questions that should be answered and relationships looked into to ensure corruption wasn't at the root of said decision.
That part is actually true...In need of a cuddle and a nap.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but it seems dumb to me that this is true.Similarly with running lifts at Falls or Hotham the advent of ebikes and shuttles will make it impossible for it ever to be financially viable to spin lifts during summer.
WOW... A Fusion whiplash
You have to remember the Ski Companies don't own the land so there are leasing costs, trail construction and maintenance, insurance, wages for both lift operators, maintenance staff, ticket sales, admin, Patrol, HR, increased yearly lift maintenance and engineering costs, OHS etc. that go with a large organisation versus a small business that runs a couple of busses.I'm not disagreeing with you, but it seems dumb to me that this is true.
Just don't understand how running multiple buses can cost less than a chairlift. Similar number of personnel required but 1 electric motor vs multiple IC engines? Surely the extra run time doesn't make any difference to the yearly maintenance costs and it's the snow crew being dicks about it.
Maybe they could hit up the gov to subsidize the cost of running a chair for the eco benefits over using IC vehicles.
I miss riding the horse hill chair...