Electric Vehicles etc

Haakon

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Just very very dependant on user behaviour... If you never plug it in or always do long trips, it’s just a very heavy and inefficient ICE.

If you use it for short trips and always plug it in, it’s better and still gives the option of a longer trip. But you’re still carting around a ICE engine

But either way they’re compromised. A heavy inefficient ICE, and a heavy inefficient EV.

I’m not surprised typical user behaviour is not using them “properly”.... people be stoopid.
 

rangersac

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And of course emissions data for ICE cars are sooooo reliable and all. Flog the crap out of an ICE and see what they produce
 
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Stredda

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Tesla don't make petrol cars, that's the difference for me. It shits me that they are over complicated. Just make a car, I don't need it to drive itself or come to me from the car park, put all that money into improved quality.
I'm with you there. I'd be happy with something that is practical, has the basics like power window, mirrors, AC, heating, bluetooth, and a rear camera it you wanted to be fancy. Make it look attractive and not some bubble car and I'm in.
Rather have quality and practicality over all the wank any day.
 

Haakon

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I'm with you there. I'd be happy with something that is practical, has the basics like power window, mirrors, AC, heating, bluetooth, and a rear camera it you wanted to be fancy. Make it look attractive and not some bubble car and I'm in.
Rather have quality and practicality over all the wank any day.
They're available, just not in backward redneck places like Australia... Peugeot e208 for example. e-208
 

Stredda

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They're available, just not in backward redneck places like Australia... Peugeot e208 for example. e-208
Not a bad looking car but I did say quality, and from the conventional Peugeots and Renaults I have seen lately at my local mechanic, they are a poorly engineered pieces of crap. Things like cam shaft gears only held in place by the sheer torque of the bolt on the end, no spline, no tapered shaft, no keyway, just tighten the shit out of it and pray it doesn't ever come loose and destroy the engine. Mechanics hate working on them.
 

Haakon

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Things like cam shaft gears only held in place by the sheer torque of the bolt on the end, no spline, no tapered shaft, no keyway, just tighten the shit out of it and pray it doesn't ever come loose and destroy the engine. Mechanics hate working on them.
This is pretty standard these days. Mazda durarec for example, and i think pretty much everything works this way now. Mechanic just need to know how to use a torque wrench, which i know isn't a given... If you dont tighten it accurately to spec and it lets go, its not the engineering thats at fault!!!!

Renault and Peugeot are very well engineered, the trick is finding a mechanic in australia that knows what theyre doing. Just because its different to a toyota doesn't mean it crap. Just different.

i was going to write up why there are no keyways in modern engine, but this thread has it https://blueovalforums.com/forums/index.php?/topic/57310-ford-engine-design-question/
 
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Stredda

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This is pretty standard these days. Mazda durarec for example, and i think pretty much everything works this way now. Mechanic just need to know how to use a torque wrench, which i know isn't a given... If you dont tighten it accurately to spec and it lets go, its not the engineering thats at fault!!!!

Renault and Peugeot are very well engineered, the trick is finding a mechanic in australia that knows what theyre doing. Just because its different to a toyota doesn't mean it crap. Just different.
These things come loose from the factory, it's a cost saving item, plain and simple. A lot of European cars are over complex and while they may work well from new, get a hundred thousand km on them and it starts costing you big time. The Japanese car makers are heading down that path, are no where near as bad at that.
For that camshaft alignment there's a $800 tool that is needed and that cost get passed onto the customer.
No different for electric cars, don't make them over complicated. It is far better for the environment if a vehicle lasts for 500,000km+ than needing to be scrapped (or major components of) at a max of 200,000km. They need to be serviceable and repairable, not disposable.
 

Haakon

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I have never heard of one coming loose from a factory or from a competently worked on one. Its not a thing. Mazda 3/Focus got sold by the truckload, not much of a reputation for their cams falling off either.

Its not just a cost cutting measure, its just a better system and perfectly fine if you actually know what you're doing. The body donor Megane i got has 240K on it and i pulled the motor down for a look and it was perfect inside despite being abused. Oddly, the cam and crank pulleys had not moved ;)

Timing set tools for the Megane were 60 bucks, the one for the Alfa is 70.
 

rowdyflat

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Just very very dependant on user behaviour... If you never plug it in or always do long trips, it’s just a very heavy and inefficient ICE.

If you use it for short trips and always plug it in, it’s better and still gives the option of a longer trip.
Thinking of a Mitsubishi Outlander , ugly as fuck but the only plug in hybrid 4WD thats been available for a while.
Mainly short trips.
 

rangersac

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Thinking of a Mitsubishi Outlander , ugly as fuck but the only plug in hybrid 4WD thats been available for a while.
Mainly short trips.
I have a first generation Outlander PHEV. No complaints here. Don't buy unless the vast majority of your daily drives are 40km or less, and your standard driving technique doesn't involve a heavy right foot.
 

rowdyflat

chez le médecin
Tick box tick box thats me .
Main problems with pure EV is I dont have a huge Solar system and have a rough driveway and my wife is not a very organised type.
A friend has one , have you been happy with it ?
Cant get to Melbourne yet Covid , have my eye on one 2014/2015 about 65K km .
 

rangersac

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Same vintage as mine then. Yeah we’ve been happy with it, swallows a two kid family, kit and four bikes on the towball with a roof pod for longer trips just fine. Tows 1.2 tonne ok as well. Rough driveway won’t be an issue unless there are real canyons. Get a socket wired into the off peak circuit or change to time of use tariff and charge overnight and it’s cheap. Drop me a PM if you’ve got more detailed questions. It’s worth downloading an app called PHEV Watchdog onto an Android phone and with an OBD adaptor checking out the battery condition. If the state of health is less than 90% then i’ll be questioning if the battery has been abused
 

rowdyflat

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Thanks the drive way isnt bad just not suitable for a low slung Nissan Leaf without tyre or suspension upgrade.
Yep would use solar + off peak.
 
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