Formula One world championship
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Teams already have flow rates though their mapping and system changes. G1-G10 controls their fuel rate among other things to save fuel. G1 been no saving and rich mix with G10 been lean. I can see where they are coming from, from one end by having a restriction on max and min fuel rates keeps the field fair on one end but also would go to a way of controlling safety. But i equally agree give them a fuel load and let them choose how to use it, if they use high flow rates it would mean they need to run more laps at a lower fuel capacity so time wise it would equalize.
But the higher fuel rate would also lead to more power so I am having a guess that the fuel flow issue is more in regards to guidelines with max power output and potentially safety. There may also be a restriction on emissions?
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Ricciardo's been disqualified although if the evidence for this is as sketchy as Christian Horner says (it's based on the data from problematic sensors that have had to be changed a number of times oveer the course of the weekend) then I can see this easily getting overturned on appeal.
If not I wouldn't be surprised if the stewards find that the office allocated for them at the Austrian GP is next to the portaloos.
If not I wouldn't be surprised if the stewards find that the office allocated for them at the Austrian GP is next to the portaloos.
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http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/article/22011343
They were using a fuel flow meter they were told not to use, doesn't look like this will be overturned
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I feel sorry for Riccardo. FIA may well be knobs about this whole thing but redbull should know better than not obey them. Rules is rules however dicky they may be. Ultimately redbull have screwed their driver and as a result scored no points in the first race. To have the glory of winning your home grandprix taken away is pretty miserable.
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Duane
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It has happened before where a team has breached rules but later facts have shown that no advantage was gained, the team was fined and lost constructors points without the driver being penalized.
I would hope that if the evidence shows that the real fuel usage was legitimate and that the breach was only with the rubbish FIA meterage then that sensible heads prevail and Daniel is not robbed of his podium. As I said, the precedence has been set before for such circumstances.
I would hope that if the evidence shows that the real fuel usage was legitimate and that the breach was only with the rubbish FIA meterage then that sensible heads prevail and Daniel is not robbed of his podium. As I said, the precedence has been set before for such circumstances.
This is what really needs to be done with f1 they are too bloody concerned about what the rule says rather than if its implementation makes any difference to the race, this part help them gauge fuel just like every other team can, there was no advantage gained by using it. You would have to be pretty tight to enforce a DQ on the basis of something that has no bearing on the cars performance during the race.
He came second not first. but to podium on your home track is still a massive deal.
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Only Ferrari is allowed to blatantly break rules & expect to get away with it.....
Any team that has Ross Brawn at the helm can get away with it...Ferrari then Mercedes last year with the 'free' tyre test last year!
c3024446
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I had a great time on the weekend. Premium zone at 15 was too packed so stood on the inside of 14 right on the fence for the whole race. Crompton's commentary was good enough that I didn't really need a screen.
Disappointing that our man got DQ'd, but I still got to sprint up the straight after the race to see him spray the champagne so that's ok.
Kind of a boring race but I think we all expected this due to the fuel limit. I can see Hamilton and Rosberg racing away with this year. Our man Dan will get a win somewhere, hopefully Monaco.
Disappointing that our man got DQ'd, but I still got to sprint up the straight after the race to see him spray the champagne so that's ok.
Kind of a boring race but I think we all expected this due to the fuel limit. I can see Hamilton and Rosberg racing away with this year. Our man Dan will get a win somewhere, hopefully Monaco.
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http://www.examiner.com.au/story/2155511/walker-furious-at-the-lack-of-gp-screams/?cs=12
Noise might annoy, but the lack of noise annoys a formula one fan more than anything else.
And the relative silence of the F1 cars as they sped around the Albert Park circuit on the weekend could lead to a legal battle between the Australian race organisers and F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone.
Australian Grand Prix chairman Ron Walker, while delighted with the overall success of the event and the strong showing of Australian driver Daniel Ricciardo, was far from happy with the ''sotto voce'' sound of the new V6 engined turbo grand prix cars, which provided a stark contrast to the visceral howl of the previous generation of high speed, 2.4-litre V8 engined racers.
''I was absolutely delighted with the whole weekend, but I was not too happy with the sound," Walker said on Monday. "We are resolving that with Bernie. It's clearly in breach of our contract. I was talking to him last night [Sunday] and it's not what we paid for. It's going to change.
''He's horrified about it. It will be an issue for all promoters all round the world, '' Walker said, lamenting that the domestic V8 Supercars made a greater aural statement through the weekend than the F1 cars.
''I walk in the botanical gardens and you could hear the sound of the twin seater F1 car of Paul Stoddart's sweeping around the circuit, but you couldn't hear these new turbo cars. If you sat in the grandstand you could hardly hear them coming down the straight.''
The Save Albert Park group, which has opposed the event since it first came to Melbourne in 1996, might not agree, but Walker saysrace fans are being shortchanged. The emotional experience they used to receive from the roaring F1 cars of the previous generation is not being replicated by the newer, quieter powerplants designed to showcase a greener face for the sport, he says.
And there are wider commercial considerations to take into account.
''We [the Grand Prix Corporation] are an entertainment company and we have to entertain the public," Walker said. "Everybody was talking about it. When you take the excitement away, you have trouble selling tickets. You have to create demand and part of that demand is people liking the noise of the race cars.''
Although disappointed by Ricciardo's post-race disqualification due to his Red Bull car breaking a fuel flow regulation, Walker praised the young West Australian for his ''fantastic'' debut with the world championship-winning Red Bull team and said he had been a wonderful ambassador for his sport and his country during the GP weekend.
''His smile is the most genuine smile I have ever seen," Walker said. "He was genuinely enjoying the experience, signing autographs for the fans and meeting people. He genuinely seemed to love the whole thing, and he produced a terrific drive to take second place. It was just unfortunate what happened after.''
Noise might annoy, but the lack of noise annoys a formula one fan more than anything else.
And the relative silence of the F1 cars as they sped around the Albert Park circuit on the weekend could lead to a legal battle between the Australian race organisers and F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone.
Australian Grand Prix chairman Ron Walker, while delighted with the overall success of the event and the strong showing of Australian driver Daniel Ricciardo, was far from happy with the ''sotto voce'' sound of the new V6 engined turbo grand prix cars, which provided a stark contrast to the visceral howl of the previous generation of high speed, 2.4-litre V8 engined racers.
''I was absolutely delighted with the whole weekend, but I was not too happy with the sound," Walker said on Monday. "We are resolving that with Bernie. It's clearly in breach of our contract. I was talking to him last night [Sunday] and it's not what we paid for. It's going to change.
''He's horrified about it. It will be an issue for all promoters all round the world, '' Walker said, lamenting that the domestic V8 Supercars made a greater aural statement through the weekend than the F1 cars.
''I walk in the botanical gardens and you could hear the sound of the twin seater F1 car of Paul Stoddart's sweeping around the circuit, but you couldn't hear these new turbo cars. If you sat in the grandstand you could hardly hear them coming down the straight.''
The Save Albert Park group, which has opposed the event since it first came to Melbourne in 1996, might not agree, but Walker saysrace fans are being shortchanged. The emotional experience they used to receive from the roaring F1 cars of the previous generation is not being replicated by the newer, quieter powerplants designed to showcase a greener face for the sport, he says.
And there are wider commercial considerations to take into account.
''We [the Grand Prix Corporation] are an entertainment company and we have to entertain the public," Walker said. "Everybody was talking about it. When you take the excitement away, you have trouble selling tickets. You have to create demand and part of that demand is people liking the noise of the race cars.''
Although disappointed by Ricciardo's post-race disqualification due to his Red Bull car breaking a fuel flow regulation, Walker praised the young West Australian for his ''fantastic'' debut with the world championship-winning Red Bull team and said he had been a wonderful ambassador for his sport and his country during the GP weekend.
''His smile is the most genuine smile I have ever seen," Walker said. "He was genuinely enjoying the experience, signing autographs for the fans and meeting people. He genuinely seemed to love the whole thing, and he produced a terrific drive to take second place. It was just unfortunate what happened after.''
willsy01
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Unfortunately, the 'FIA Sporting Code' now precludes that from being an option.
https://twitter.com/f1fanatic_co_uk/status/445542729393524737/photo/1
hopefully there can be some consideration for the immense number of new rule changes and limited testing time. It can't be a great look for F1 to have a podium finisher disqualified on the first race of the season.
In terms of the sound, I did like the old sound having been to a couple of GPs over the years (2003 Italian and 2005 Monaco), but really I wouldn't change my mind about attending because of the sound. I am there to see cars go fast, not to hear loud noises.
Old relic fans need to get over the quieter powerplants IMO. The cars a still crazy quick, a handful to hold on to and will provide potentially great racing because alot of control is back in the drivers hands.
In addition, engine efficiency innovation will quite likely increase rapidly and new technologies developed.
You want noise, go to the drag races with the rest of the great unwashed.
In addition, engine efficiency innovation will quite likely increase rapidly and new technologies developed.
You want noise, go to the drag races with the rest of the great unwashed.
I was amazed at people's surprise that the cars would be a little quieter. All weekend; all I heard was boonah's whining that the cars sounded like a plastic bottle being squeezed. Really? You've had your head in the dunny for three years and never knew this was coming? Fuck me, what will they think in a few years when fuel is gone and the cars are entirely electric? Sadly, this will spell the end of a good event in my eyes as people do go for the onslaught on your senses. Shame, it's been a bloody good event and a highlight of the year for me for so long.
I didn't get a photo or video of me hurling abuse at Grosjean when he came past me after retiring but I did get a little something to remember the day by.
I didn't get a photo or video of me hurling abuse at Grosjean when he came past me after retiring but I did get a little something to remember the day by.
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I concur.
Also, I live roughly 15-20km from the F1 circuit at Albert Park, I could hear the cars clearly from my living room.
The people beating their chests about the relative silence of the new engines must have spent too much time with their ears pressed against the freshly sawn off exhaust of their toranas.
^Exactly.
This is what F1 in 2014 is gonna about http://i.minus.com/i5iYw8nLTbutm.gif
Who gives a shit about noise when the cars are going to be driven like that!
This is what F1 in 2014 is gonna about http://i.minus.com/i5iYw8nLTbutm.gif
Who gives a shit about noise when the cars are going to be driven like that!
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everyone can relax, Bernie is on the case about the noise!
http://www.news.com.au/technology/d...ngine-technology/story-fnjwucvh-1226858902757
just put a different muffler on I reckon, works for the lowered brigade.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/d...ngine-technology/story-fnjwucvh-1226858902757
just put a different muffler on I reckon, works for the lowered brigade.