NO!!! Cos I bet anything you got paid triple what I didIs here were I bring up working 4 months without a day off averaging about 85hrs a week with a couple of 90+ hours weeks thrown in just for good measure?
Welcome to the wonderful world of group assessments. Honestly, if these nimrods don't heed your warnings and get their shit together in a rapid manner, schedule an appointment with your tutor/lecturer, take all work done to date and demonstrate that they did sweet fuck all, what they did do was shithouse, and that you did the majority of the work. Keep the work they emailed you as proof. If the tutors/lecturers start up with the "it is groupwork, and part of groupwork is learning to work as a group, there is nothing that I can do", politely tell them to go fuck themselves and arrange to meet the HOD.My first group assignment is due tomorrow. We have to present part of the lecture about Self Organisation. Needless to say, I am the only one with their work finished and ready. And I still have to hope that they email me their work so I can put the powerpoint together. It also doesn't help that they are all retards; so whatever work I get from them will suck. I even went to the trouble to find several sources of info for one of the guys who hadn't done anything and he just ignored it all. I didn't think working as a group would be so hard.
Too right. I've done my part and I got the work emailed to me from one of the other three guys so I'm just gonna give them what's done and tell em to finish it in the morning before the presentation. It's not like it's even hard to get 2mins of speech together.Welcome to the wonderful world of group assessments. Honestly, if these nimrods don't heed your warnings and get their shit together in a rapid manner, schedule an appointment with your tutor/lecturer, take all work done to date and demonstrate that they did sweet fuck all, what they did do was shithouse, and that you did the majority of the work. Keep the work they emailed you as proof. If the tutors/lecturers start up with the "it is groupwork, and part of groupwork is learning to work as a group, there is nothing that I can do", politely tell them to go fuck themselves and arrange to meet the HOD.
If your group members call you a prick, retort by suggesting they pull their respective fingers out and do some work. If they have time for fapping, Facebook, getting drunk/stoned/shooting up, Deal or No Deal, playing Ultimate Frisbee (WTFITAA?), working out in the gym, TV in general and sleeping more than 8 hours per night, then they have time to begin to learn to open a text and read and read until their eyes bleed.
This was a pet hate of mine at uni last year when I was doing 1 post grad unit and I have seen my girlfriend and some other friends have to deal with these type of fuckwits at both undergrad and at a post grad level. Take no prisoners and remember that whilst it is nice to make friends, ultimately you are there to do as well as YOU can for YOURSELF.
No appologies for the strong language nor the rant liberaly sprinkled with seething hate but lazy students who expect to get an easy ride from other students in groups deserve to be shunned, iced out and repeatedly reminded of their shortcomings as human beings.
Where is the 'I want to kill people death metal' smiley
Or the other golden one: "in the industry you're not always going to get to pick your colleagues, you'll just have to get used to being part of a team". Yes, but if another part of that team doesn't actually show up to work, ever, then they will be fired; so I would like to fire half of my group."it is groupwork, and part of groupwork is learning to work as a group, there is nothing that I can do", politely tell them to go fuck themselves and arrange to meet the HOD.
Depends entirely on how it's marked and if there's any allowance given for distribution of credit amongst the group, or if it's a lazy assessor who's just going to throw the same mark at everyone.Would it be worth me finishing it myself so we have a half decent presentation (which is going to be examined on)? Or should I just leave it and say "I did my part, it's not my fault."
EDIT:Or the other golden one: "in the industry you're not always going to get to pick your colleagues, you'll just have to get used to being part of a team". Yes, but if another part of that team doesn't actually show up to work, ever, then they will be fired; so I would like to fire half of my group.
Having had to mark these things - people almost always come up to us after the fact to complain about the shitty group they had and ask for mitigation and leniency in marks, when I really can't do much. Similarly if you're dyslexic and need extra time to do an exam, there's not much point telling us AFTER the exam you didn't finish it and need extra time, as we can only mitigate these things before the work is handed in. If you were in job situation, your group gave a shitty client presentation and the first your boss heard of it was when he saw it in the board room at the client meeting, do you really think "well MY bit was good" would absolve you of all blame?[/U]Just like a lecturer cannot be held accountable if you fail to pre-read, attend lectures and contribute in labs/tutes, you cannot be held accountable if your group members cannot get their priorities right and produce some worthwhile work.
Cheers dude. I agree with everything you are saying. If it's up to us students to present the lectures, why dont we all just study the topics at home and do it ourselves? I understand that it gives us a chance to be on the otherside but I hardly feel that he should get paid for the lectures we do, nor should we have to pay for us to study our own work anyway. All he has to do is tick it off to say we did a good job. Maybe my frustration is getting to me. It is only our first one, and we did only have one week to do it rather than the usual three, but still; it wasn't that hard of a task.Good luck and let us know the outcome.
Thanks for your input Arete. it certainly helps hearing from the perspective of a lecturer/tutor on the situation. I'll just hope the others come through in the morning or I'll be paying a visit to my (un)friendly, neighbourhood, lecturer.Just talk to your tutor, forward them the crappy communication you've had with your lame ass group members and some evidence that you did the bit of the presentation which didn't suck, and if it was me marking the project, I'd probably try and help you out.
An old mechanic's tale has a customer bringing in a car for a tune and the mechanic turning the 2 carburettor screws until the idle was smooth. Then asking for $50. The outraged customer complains that it's ridiculous that he has to pay $50 for the mechanic to turn 2 screws. The mechanic replies "You're paying me $5 to turn the screws, and $45 to know when to stop."All he has to do is tick it off to say we did a good job. .
True. When I rocked up at uni early the others were finishing off theirs. Apparently they finished it too late and that their internet wasn't working properly to email it to me. I managed to get the powerpoint done 10 mins before the lecture. Their half sucked, but we got it done. I'll be on their backs for the next one though.An old mechanic's tale has a customer bringing in a car for a tune and the mechanic turning the 2 carburettor screws until the idle was smooth. Then asking for $50. The outraged customer complains that it's ridiculous that he has to pay $50 for the mechanic to turn 2 screws. The mechanic replies "You're paying me $5 to turn the screws, and $45 to know when to stop."
Similarly, your lecturer/tutor is paid to know which are the right questions to ask and to know when you've done a good job answering them or not.
I was hanging out with some guys I met in a bar. One was an anaethetist. Someone was giving him shit about it being the lazy mans medicine, how anybody could spin some dials and complaining he got paid to much for obviously paltry efforts. Calm as can be, this guy turns around and replies "you aren't paying me to put you to sleep. You are paying me to wake you back up".An old mechanic's tale has a customer bringing in a car for a tune and the mechanic turning the 2 carburettor screws until the idle was smooth. Then asking for $50. The outraged customer complains that it's ridiculous that he has to pay $50 for the mechanic to turn 2 screws. The mechanic replies "You're paying me $5 to turn the screws, and $45 to know when to stop."
Similarly, your lecturer/tutor is paid to know which are the right questions to ask and to know when you've done a good job answering them or not.
I present to you a story of triumph; last semester I fired my assigned duo presentation team member and it all worked out great.Or the other golden one: "in the industry you're not always going to get to pick your colleagues, you'll just have to get used to being part of a team". Yes, but if another part of that team doesn't actually show up to work, ever, then they will be fired; so I would like to fire half of my group.