Trump..... (The Sophistry Thread)

[hifiandmtb]

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Even then it's not so clean cut. You mentioned Universal Healthcare and we commonly criticise the American privatisation of healthcare, and yet that healthcare system is responsible for most of the major medical developments we take for granted these days. Per capita they outclass the world by a massive margin.

I put this down to their altruistic ethos.

 

[Asininedrivel]

I'd also argue that you can, very quickly and objectively, using rough body counts and reasons for the body count existing, state a strong case that one is many scales worse than the other. I find it peculiar, and thought it was an interesting talking point, so I mentioned it.

Main difference is the worst extremes of socialism tends to inflict its fratricide on its own populations, fascism inflicts it on neighbouring ones.

Massive generalisation, but I'd go into more robust detail if I didn't have 900 things to half-assedly complete before I can knock off today.

 

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[Asininedrivel]

So if you're into self preservation, don't go socialism.

Speaking of generalisations, what happens if you happen to be a minority on the receiving end of a fascist pogrom? Good luck trying to engage self-preservation then.

 

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[Dales Cannon]

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[Scotty T]

As unpopular as it is to say, there are some majorly interesting talking points about this election that could do with further investigation and answers. From 1984 through to 2016, there have been seventeen counties through nine elections that voted for the President 148/153 times (that's a 96% accuracy rating). We see a similar thing with Florida since 1964 going to the chosen President on all but one occasion. Come 2020 we're seeing all of these bellwethers reverse that trend if Biden is confirmed. And reverse is not an overstatement, they didn't "lose some margin of accuracy" they voted with 94% accuracy for Trump. Now seventeen counties does not an election make, but these trends held true even through the controversy of the last election and for nearly forty years prior.

Anyway, wall-o-text crits you for 69dmg.

It's not unpopular to say, it's unfounded with a lack of evidence worthy of investigation. Bellwethers are not evidence. Elections are made by votes. A lot of people woke up to a selfish lying fool that's cost them so many lives, and bothered to get off their asses and go vote him out. My statement is simplistic but it's supported by evidence, given that so far the investigations have not produced evidence to the contrary. Prove me wrong with evidence, not history lessons.

 

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[Plankosaurus]

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[rangersac]

Why is it important whether I condemn someone or not?

I don't think it is of great importance. However you asked the question "What do you think my political opinions are and why?". Now unless I have missed something (which is quite possible) I have not seen a post from you critiquing Republicans or Trump. That doesn't mean I think you are a full blown MAGA supporter, and as @moorey has pointed out I do realise that many of your posts are purely for shit stirring purposes. Which is fairness is something the vast majority on here are guilty of from time to time. However, by way of example you have posted the following

Magnanimous.

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Now in isolation I would agree with you. Not the most magnanimous thing to do. However in the wider context of shit that's flying around on Twitter in relation to the election this is pretty small fry, and personally I think she has a point, as petty as that maybe. And I don't see you posting one of the bazillion Trump tweets are far more offensive and are complete bollocks. Maybe that's just because you don't feel the need to, but perhaps you can understand how this might colour the perception of you.

Per capita they outclass the world by a massive margin.

I am interested to see your metrics to back up such a claim.

 

[Ultra Lord]

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Buy moorey one of them and I’ll talk somebody into buying zaf one of these

It’s even camo so he can wear it on hunting trips!

 

[Scotty T]

There's no compelling evidence of fraud, sure. But that's not what I'm saying. That's looking at a single causal factor and ruling it out, but still looking at a previously robust data set that has completely inverted and not having a reason why.
You're not even curious as to why past behaviour all of a sudden did not become a predictor of future behaviour?

I think COVID is a huge inverter in this case. I totally think had it not happened we'd have a vastly different result. Even if Trump had handled it better we might not be talking about it.

It wasn't the single thing, because Trump had really turned a lot of people off before it happened but it's a fairly huge part of it and a bunch of Republicans turned on him because of it. As well as Democrats who abandoned Hilary for a variety of reasons came back strongly. It has all added up.

Post analysis especially of the Republicans who swung will be interesting for sure.

 

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[hifiandmtb]

You mentioned Universal Healthcare and we commonly criticise the American privatisation of healthcare, and yet that healthcare system is responsible for most of the major medical developments we take for granted these days. Per capita they outclass the world by a massive margin.

From the research article you quoted (finally, you provided some links!):

The relative success of the pharmaceutical industry in each country may be more related to the country-specific investments in human capital, education, technology, information infrastructure, and strategic choices. For example, per capita pharmaceutical research and development spending of the United Kingdom, Switzerland, and Sweden from 1995 to 2000 exceeded that of the United States.27 Some countries choose to invest in pharmaceutical research and development over other types of industries. Future research could examine the types of incentives and policies that promote country-specific investments that provide a superior environment for pharmaceutical research and development.

Per capita investment ain't as crash hot as you state.

Maybe you are saying the Yanks are more "successful"? I wonder what might drive "success"? Hmmm...let me think...

 

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[hifiandmtb]

I'd like to think I post links...

 

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[hifiandmtb]

No I'm not talking about Colbert posts!!!

Stop swinging dicks & keep the information flowing...I don't pretend to know much about U.S. politics, this shit show has just dragging my interest cortex into it.

 

[Cardy George]

No I'm not talking about Colbert posts!!!

Stop swinging dicks & keep the information flowing...I don't pretend to know much about U.S. politics, this shit show has just dragging my interest cortex into it.

Wot he said ^^^