I read an article years ago (when exporting extended as far as New Zealand) which described the Commodore as a collection of bits (including bodies to a large degree) from GM's global parts bin, tweaked & thrown together into a package unique to Australia.Oh, and Holden IS NOT AN AUSTRALIAN COMPANY. So before you go out and buy a commodore and stick your dumb arse southern cross sticker on it, know that a Toyota Camry is as Australian as that Commodore you adore.
I don't believe it has happened as yet. There are a lot of conditions attached before funds are handed over too.Explain to me why we have just given $50m to SPC, when it is owned by coca cola amatil, surely one of the richest companies in history?
Australians do get paid quite well. Not sure that all of GM's cars are shit though.Holden pay Aussie workers a shitload more to make shit cars than they can get shit cars made elsewhere.
Australian made cars are nearly always improving. Would you not say that the 2013 Commodore is a better car than the 1966 HD Holden Special? The Magna station wagon I drive has been a great car apart from a few minor niggles with the electronics.Australia needs to cut the car industry off. It will never improve.
I agree that the government could invest more in new technologies that have a viable future. Shit, they could invest more in existing technologies such as public transport instead of building more tollways. They should've been making these investments before Holden made it's announcement. I think Gillard set up a few things along these lines and Abbott is now busy trying to gut these initiatives.Instead of propping up the car industry, the government could have invested that same money in new technologies that actually have a viable future. The car industry is not it.
I didn't say Holden was an Australian company. There is nothing wrong with wanting to support an Australian industry.Oh, and Holden IS NOT AN AUSTRALIAN COMPANY. So before you go out and buy a commodore and stick your dumb arse southern cross sticker on it, know that a Toyota Camry is as Australian as that Commodore you adore.
Not true, the workers in Korea are on very close to what the workers at Holden are on.Holden pay Aussie workers a shitload more to make shit cars than they can get shit cars made elsewhere.
Actually, provided both wheels have sufficient traction(ie most of the time) a standard the differential will distribute power to both wheels, most of the time. Add traction control and/or limited slip and you have two wheel drive essentially all of the time.You're comparing a two wheel drive (well one at any time actually) car to an all wheel drive. Your not comparing apples with apples or purely a diesel to a petrol. And leave the Craptiva out of it. Its a pile of rubbish. Only Holden could build a small SUV diesel that averages 13lt per 100ks. A big pajero or patrol is more efficient than that!
Must have been a long time ago. From the VT onwards they have been exporting to the Middle East, South Africa, Brazil and later the UK and US (premium models) for some time.I read an article years ago (when exporting extended as far as New Zealand) which described the Commodore as a collection of bits (including bodies to a large degree) from GM's global parts bin, tweaked & thrown together into a package unique to Australia.
Union bashing is just a variation on Government bashing (and gets us nowhere).I think the Falcadore fan boys need to suck it up ( along with other industries) , in that we need to stop blaming the government...... I'd look historically at the Unions......
Always fighting to push up wages for less hours......happened across so many industries.... Now look where we are?
Maybe if we petitioned those countries that manufacture more cheaply than we to stand up a few Unions, give it a hundred years and maybe well be back on a level playing field......
Go figure.....
Have you heard of the Fast and Furious?you're all missing the most important point...
What do our future bogans drive now in years to come?
They are driving ricers in Fast & Furious (mostly). 4 cylinder high revs, low torque, small capacity. Front drive or sometimes AWD.Have you heard of the Fast and Furious?
I think the Falcadore fan boys need to suck it up ( along with other industries) , in that we need to stop blaming the government...... I'd look historically at the Unions......
Always fighting to push up wages for less hours......happened across so many industries.... Now look where we are?
Maybe if we petitioned those countries that manufacture more cheaply than we to stand up a few Unions, give it a hundred years and maybe well be back on a level playing field......
Go figure.....
I agree with Moorey on this (no surprises from my previous posts in this thread).Yeah, I bet you hate the wages, conditions, entitlement and holidays that you gained all by yourself, without union influence. Classic 'I'm fine, so fuck them' mentality.
He runs a 19th century cotton mill. What of it?I agree with Moorey on this (no surprises from my previous posts in this thread).
What do you do for a living skwiz05?
you're all missing the most important point...
What do our future bogans drive now in years to come?
if its good enough for the banks I guess its good enough for themExplain to me why we have just given $50m to SPC, when it is owned by coca cola amatil, surely one of the richest companies in history?
Exactly, theres plenty of hatred between the ricers and commi's. They aren't about to jump into the oppositions car...older euro's they wont touch because their too bigoted and racist and don't want to be identified with the usual drivers.They are driving ricers in Fast & Furious (mostly). 4 cylinder high revs, low torque, small capacity. Front drive or sometimes AWD.
Compared to an SS Commodore - V8, large capacity, high torque, lower revs. Rear drive.
Both good cars in their own right, but a SS driver does not really want a 4 cylinder in general. Or vice versa too I suppose.
It's pretty common knowledge that all AWD vehicles like a Subaru outback or forester have lower fuel efficiency compared to a two wheel drive equivalent. There is no point comparing an all wheel drive vehicle to a two wheel drive vehicle when comparing diesel v petrol running costs. I have two friends that drive diesel craptivas (work fleet cars) and they get no better than 13lt per 100ks. That's mainly country driving too.Actually, provided both wheels have sufficient traction(ie most of the time) a standard the differential will distribute power to both wheels, most of the time. Add traction control and/or limited slip and you have two wheel drive essentially all of the time.
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a)Your reply doesn't appear related to my quote you cite (which had to do with your earlier incorrect statement regarding the assertion that a two wheel drive vehicle actually only has one wheel driven).It's pretty common knowledge that all AWD vehicles like a Subaru outback or forester have lower fuel efficiency compared to a two wheel drive equivalent. There is no point comparing an all wheel drive vehicle to a two wheel drive vehicle when comparing diesel v petrol running costs.