Dark Knight
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Well this topic has certainly elicited significant response - that can't be a bad thing. With regards to 'sales pitchy' - I can assure you that's not my objective. This is in no way 'spam' - making money selling any types of bikes is a tough gig and I make good enough cash in my day job to stress with that sort of business - upmost respect to those that do. I indicated early what my bike is, mentioned a few others...some of which aren't even available in oz - I would hardly think that's sales - but people will think what they will. If you're in any way interested, I'm sure you'll DYOR.
I first discovered rotorburn as I was (and still am) looking for some DH bike parts - specifically a cane creek double barrel coil shock 10.5 x 3.5 and there was one for sale here (also on the hunt for Fox 40 forks and shimano saint anchors amongst other parts) however I couldn't post to the trading area until making 5 constructive posts (a fair restriction I guess). Rather than aimlessly posting against others threads, thought I'd kick my own off...with a topic I knew at least a little about. It also seemed a subject little discussed, hence my thoughts to initiate.
I sincerely hoped that by initiating a discussion around this some mutual understanding may begin to form. The fact is that the legal 250w assist ebikes are considered bikes and have free access to anywhere a bike can go - whether this is a popular fact or not is moot in the eyes of the law. Having said that, no one likes to go where they're not welcome hence my (perhaps misguided) attempt at a reasoned discussion. I would like to able access various trails without someone threatening to see if my bikes floats for instance...
It is also important to note that there is a clear delineation between assist ebikes and high powered ebikes (stealth bomber and the like - has been posted on rotor before) as has been indicated by both myself and other posters here. It's my personal opinion that they both have a place in our future with high powered ebikes hopefully becoming popular on moto trails/tracks. I personally believe they offer significant advantages over gasses being silent and somewhat more environmentally friendly...but that's a separate topic.
It's interesting that there is actually quite a mix of views - and some even, if not in total support, at least not completely against. With regards to making trails, well I was out digging and shovelling more than 25 years ago making trails that may well still exist...or likely have been expanded upon. If I was to start regularly trailing again, pretty sure I'd have a shovel in hand when the time comes.
Moving on, all I ask is that everyone keep it reasonably civil. We may not agree with each other on everything in life, and cases like this are a clear example. You can think what you like, but it's simple politeness to keep everything non-personal. It would be easy and comfortable to stick to ebike forums where everyone agrees with me, however that is an exercise in preaching to the converted (and would also be the appropriate place for a sales pitch BTW) and would have no hope of engendering change. I appreciate I've come to your turf but have kept it polite and civil and would like the courtesy returned.
If you don't have anything constructive to say, the topic offends you or you think it's a sales pitch, feel free to change the channel...otherwise, let the conversation continue...
I first discovered rotorburn as I was (and still am) looking for some DH bike parts - specifically a cane creek double barrel coil shock 10.5 x 3.5 and there was one for sale here (also on the hunt for Fox 40 forks and shimano saint anchors amongst other parts) however I couldn't post to the trading area until making 5 constructive posts (a fair restriction I guess). Rather than aimlessly posting against others threads, thought I'd kick my own off...with a topic I knew at least a little about. It also seemed a subject little discussed, hence my thoughts to initiate.
Klips - this was far from my opening statement - please go to the beginning of the thread to see all of the dialogue. Having said that, if that's how it read I can only apologise as that was not my intent. I really was interested to see what a generic perspective was. The expectation of negativity/flaming was based around experience with my own friends that have and do bike trails and turn there noses up (as I used to)...so it seemed reasonable that complete strangers would have similar views.This opening statement says to me "I came here to pick a fight, and I'm surprised no one has fought back". Not the most positive way to approach it.
I sincerely hoped that by initiating a discussion around this some mutual understanding may begin to form. The fact is that the legal 250w assist ebikes are considered bikes and have free access to anywhere a bike can go - whether this is a popular fact or not is moot in the eyes of the law. Having said that, no one likes to go where they're not welcome hence my (perhaps misguided) attempt at a reasoned discussion. I would like to able access various trails without someone threatening to see if my bikes floats for instance...
It is also important to note that there is a clear delineation between assist ebikes and high powered ebikes (stealth bomber and the like - has been posted on rotor before) as has been indicated by both myself and other posters here. It's my personal opinion that they both have a place in our future with high powered ebikes hopefully becoming popular on moto trails/tracks. I personally believe they offer significant advantages over gasses being silent and somewhat more environmentally friendly...but that's a separate topic.
It's interesting that there is actually quite a mix of views - and some even, if not in total support, at least not completely against. With regards to making trails, well I was out digging and shovelling more than 25 years ago making trails that may well still exist...or likely have been expanded upon. If I was to start regularly trailing again, pretty sure I'd have a shovel in hand when the time comes.
Moving on, all I ask is that everyone keep it reasonably civil. We may not agree with each other on everything in life, and cases like this are a clear example. You can think what you like, but it's simple politeness to keep everything non-personal. It would be easy and comfortable to stick to ebike forums where everyone agrees with me, however that is an exercise in preaching to the converted (and would also be the appropriate place for a sales pitch BTW) and would have no hope of engendering change. I appreciate I've come to your turf but have kept it polite and civil and would like the courtesy returned.
If you don't have anything constructive to say, the topic offends you or you think it's a sales pitch, feel free to change the channel...otherwise, let the conversation continue...