Question for the suspension brains trust.
I have a 2022 SJ Evo. I am by no means a suspension nerd, but I have heard a lot of people say the rear suspension is a little too far on the linear side, and a lot of folks seem to upgrade to a Cascade link for extra progression. The suspension feels reasonable to me but I definitely bottom it out more often than my previous bikes that were more progressive.
From the graph below, my SJ Evo seems to have progression of around 19% (1 - (2.5/3.1)).
The new one seems to be around 13.5% (1 - (2.5/2.89)).
Am I calculating this right?
If so, this seems VERY linear and makes me wonder how the bike would ride with that Ohlins coil shock???
I have a 2022 SJ Evo. I am by no means a suspension nerd, but I have heard a lot of people say the rear suspension is a little too far on the linear side, and a lot of folks seem to upgrade to a Cascade link for extra progression. The suspension feels reasonable to me but I definitely bottom it out more often than my previous bikes that were more progressive.
From the graph below, my SJ Evo seems to have progression of around 19% (1 - (2.5/3.1)).
The new one seems to be around 13.5% (1 - (2.5/2.89)).
Am I calculating this right?
If so, this seems VERY linear and makes me wonder how the bike would ride with that Ohlins coil shock???
Rorschach
Didnt pay $250 for this custom title
Yeah, my thinking too. The Evo seems a capable bike and more trail than anything!
However if you pay 50% off it now as a deposit when it comes time to pay for it they will only make you pay the other 50% off.
teK--
Eats Squid
I would pay that but only if it there was a motor and still sub-18Kg...
teK--
Eats Squid
Your figures are correct. The new one is less progressive.
Even the EVO is sub-optimal for a coil shock. Around 25-30% is ideal. Maybe the Ohlins has some position sensitive damping? Not sure.
birddog69
Likes Bikes and Dirt
I know Spec get some well deserved hate on this forum but I have been a long term fan of their frames. I still own, and ride, 2013 Roubaix road bike. An extremely comfortable frame. My only complaint over the last 5-6 years, other than the slime ball that runs the company, has been the attaching of crap kit and high prices to great frames.
However, I am eying off the Epic Evo in it's latest form has it fits in with what I like to ride. Not that much different than my Trance 29 but in an updated package. Also, as I am not interested in an E bike at this point, lighter, but capable bikes are what I am after. If I could get a frame only, I would definitely pursue it!
Rorschach
Didnt pay $250 for this custom title
I reckon if I pick up something I can use for everything from XC to trail the Epic Evo 8 would be high on the list
Interesting, sounds concerning. Wonder if the mullet link is more progressive.
Stredda
Runs naked through virgin scrub
Yes, they do make good bikes, just with boutique prices a lot of the time. There are some good deals on the older models at the moment. Kind of puts the price at where they really should be.
Got a few friends with Epic Evos and they love them. I really like my short travel Stumpy, I can race Enduros or XC on it, it's even done a 108km gravel race.
From someone on a virtually linear frame a coil rides great. All in getting the shock tune right.
teK--
Eats Squid
Using damping to compensate for lack of spring rate is often a compromise. It depends on the application I suppose. If not doing big hits then it could be OK.
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
I think bike companies have just priced themselves out of their core market.
The $10-20k dentist porsche owner can always afford the top of the range regardless of the price. But the middle of the range owner isn't looking to spend $6-10k on a mtb unless its for an ebike. Then for an okay entry level mtb it's $3-4k on sale plus gear which is way out of reach and unrealistic to test out whether or not you like a sport, nor attainable for the uni student who has the fitness and youth to enjoy it.
They saw people starting to spend big on ebikes and combined with bored covid shoppers they then wrongly thought there was a correlation to how expensive that means they can then make their normal bikes. In summary, I look forward to more $4k yeti's.
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
There have been $20k regular bikes around for 5-6 years now, Spech, Giant, Pivot, Scott and others then the smaller companies like Actofive etc
I know a few on S-Works Evos, nice bikes but those who buy from Spech regularly get looked after.
Yep the rich can always afford it, but I think it's the other 2 groups (the core majority of buyers) that won't come along for the ride.
Jabubu
let you google that for me
I'm sure the new Stumpjumper is great but there's no way I'd pay that when the Canyon Spectral exists -
www.canyon.com
Spectral CF LTD
Looking for a dreambuild spec that’s dripping with the latest components? You’ve found it. We’ve left no stone unturned to create trail bike perfection.
www.canyon.com
Rorschach
Didnt pay $250 for this custom title
I'm sure the new Stumpjumper is great but there's no way I'd pay that when the Canyon Spectral exists -
Spectral CF LTD
Looking for a dreambuild spec that’s dripping with the latest components? You’ve found it. We’ve left no stone unturned to create trail bike perfection.
While I know there is an element of bias given you ride a Canyon, I find it hard to disagree with the spec for the price, and the number of decent reviews knocking about