Trump..... (The Sophistry Thread)

tubby74 said:
dont forget slavery built the pyramids
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Ahem!!

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oldcorollas said:
Chunts.
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I'm still waiting for the things that Trump does that doesn't land with his supporters. There's always something. Always a moment of miscalculation when a leader believes they can do no wrong and steps too far into an issue that people stop and think 'what the fuck'.

There are a lot of things I don't get about Trump and the fanatical support he enjoys and I sure a shit don't get how the one-time sworn enemy of America is now an ally and somehow this is not the 'what the fuck' moment.

It smells a lot like "we're at war with Eurasia, we have always been at war with Eurasia". Somehow Trump can tell America "we're at war with Oceana, we've always been at war with Oceana" (I likely got that quote wrong but you know what I mean...)
 
yuley95 said:
There are a lot of things I don't get about Trump and the fanatical support he enjoys and I sure a shit don't get how the one-time sworn enemy of America is now an ally and somehow this is not the 'what the fuck' moment.
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Yeah I don’t get it either but as you say the Orwellian doublethink is strong with this lot. I’m sure there are more than a few old school Republicans who still understand how a global order works or should work who are very quietly shaking their heads in disgust but the MAGAs either couldn’t care less or are stoked. Russia is a predominantly white, Christian, conservative nation that bans the LBGT movement and puts people with purple hair in jail. For them what’s not to love?
 
Haakon said:
www.foxnews.com

Trump claims Zelenskyy has a 4% approval rating in Ukraine | Fox News Video

Fox News senior White House correspondent Jacqui Heinrich asks President Donald Trump whether the United States supports Ukraine holding new elections.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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Totally parroting Putins talking points...

www.abc.net.au

Trump takes aim at Ukraine over Russia war, dismisses peace talk concerns

The US president said he was "disappointed" to hear Ukraine complained about being excluded from talks with Russia, and suggested President Volodymyr Zelenskyy should have made a peace deal years ago.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
I'm not sure if many of you are aware, but Trumpty Dumpty isn't the first American to want to chnage the geography of the world.
In the 1940's an American author called Clarence Budington Kelland suggested that the Pacific Ocean should become an American lake!
Kelland was a writer, prolific and popular in his lifetime, now forgotten but also, one time executive director of the Republican National Committee.

Here is a brief extract from the newsletter 'The Marginalian by Maria Popova'

Kelland had proposed a plan for America’s participation in the postwar world based on such unbridled imperialism that “the Pacific Ocean must become an American Lake.”

E.B. White, — who authored some of the most incisive editorials in the history of journalism in between nursing generations of children on a tenderness for life with books like Stuart Little and Charlotte’s Web — wasted no time polishing the absurd proposition into a lens on the deepest problem facing our civilization.wrote in the New York Times on September 11, 1943.....

"The Pacific Ocean, said Clarence Budington Kelland firmly, must become an American lake. He didn’t make it clear why it should become an American lake rather than, say, a Chinese lake or a Russian lake. The Chinese were seaside dwellers along the Pacific many thousands of years before the Americans, and presumably even now like to gaze upon its blue and sometimes tranquil waters. This may seem annoying to a party leader, who is apt to find it difficult to believe that there can be anybody of any importance on the far end of a lake. Yet the Pacific and its subsidiary seas are presumably real and agreeable to the people who live on them. The Sea of Okhotsk is five times the size of Mr. Kelland’s state of Arizona, the Sea of Japan is longer than the longest serial he ever wrote, the Yellow Sea is as big as the Paramount Building and bigger, and the South China Sea runs on endlessly into the sunset beyond Borneo. Are these the coves in an American lake — little bays where we can go to catch our pickerel among the weeds?"

What made Kelland’s postwar plan so preposterous is also what made it so dangerous — it lived by the same metastatic nationalism that had hurled the world into war in the first place. Against this malady humanity’s narrowly evaded self-destruction was evidently only a temporary vaccine that has since worn out: Here we are again, gulfing toward an abyss from which there may be no return.
 
With the US pushing Europe to double their defence spending, while at the same time wanting to halve their own (and Russia/China not giving a hoot).. maybe soon it won't matter what they want to call things :)
 
oldcorollas said:
With the US pushing Europe to double their defence spending, while at the same time wanting to halve their own (and Russia/China not giving a hoot).. maybe soon it won't matter what they want to call things :)
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I wonder if it would be prudent for EU countries to offer US scientists and experts a free visa to a country of their choice? Improve the talent base of the EU by taking advantage of DOGE's blind incompetence.
 
Jabubu said:
I wonder if it would be prudent for EU countries to offer US scientists and experts a free visa to a country of their choice? Improve the talent base of the EU by taking advantage of DOGE's blind incompetence.
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it worked for Australian scientists who packed up and took their ideas to other countries who unlike Australia wanted to support and commercialise them.
 
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