Trump..... (The Sophistry Thread)

moorey

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Yeah but so did the Democrats. There was effectively a blue wave, it just smashed into a red wave of pretty much equal intensity.

Everyone imploring people to vote, vote vote didn't specify who for (a good thing). So pretty much what happened was for the first time in a very long time Americans actually gave a shit and participated in record numbers in the democratic process. I hope that's a trend that continues.
Only a country as patriotically blinkered as the USA can ignore the benefits of compulsory voting and a National electoral commission.
But hey, we know that the Republicans really don’t want a strong turn out, and it’s tyranny to require you vote, even for your own interests.
Because freedumb, right? Never going to happen, and the country seems to grow more partisan by the day.
I know I’m simplifying it AF,
 

tubby74

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Only a country as patriotically blinkered as the USA can ignore the benefits of compulsory voting and a National electoral commission.
I'm not convinced that compulsory voting is that great, but having elections on a weekday in limited locations with huge queues is ridiculous. and no one can possibly look at gerymandering and think this is a healthy democracy
 

moorey

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I'm not convinced that compulsory voting is that great, but having elections on a weekday in limited locations with huge queues is ridiculous. and no one can possibly look at gerymandering and think this is a healthy democracy
No, they both do it. Republicans just do it better. Voter suppression is the norm in a country founded on freedom and democracy. In reality, 90% of the county only actually cares about their team winning, IMHO.
 

ForkinGreat

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No, they both do it. Republicans just do it better. Voter suppression is the norm in a country founded on freedom and democracy. In reality, 90% of the county only actually cares about their team winning, IMHO.
that seems to be the case in Australia too. How else would utter shitstains like tim smith somehow keep getting pre-selected for the state lib seat of kew, in VIC??
 

B Rabbit

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News Just In

Georgia to do a full by-hand state recount of ballots...

And when it comes back with more or less the exact same count plus or minus 2-300 votes will you breath a sigh of relief that the original count was accurate? And also accept the overall election result that means Biden is now the US’s Socialist Overlord?
 

Asininedrivel

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News Just In

Georgia to do a full by-hand state recount of ballots...

Was always going to happen, Georgia has a 0.5% margin to trigger it.
And when it comes back with more or less the exact same count plus or minus 2-300 votes will you breath a sigh of relief that the original count was accurate? And also accept the overall election result that means Biden is now the US’s Socialist Overlord?
What he said.
 

FoxRidersCo

Sanity is not statistical
will you breath a sigh of relief
Truth be told the fact its come down to states doing recounts is actually disconcerting...

The in-house fighting, backstabbing, resignations, shady deals, changes of allegiances within the Trump administration during a time of 'pandemic crisis' plus on top of chatter of a potential 25th Ammendment coup in the works doesn't bode well for democracy.

Not that Australia can talk, our government isn't any different so maybe it's just par for the course when power and control is involved.
 

moorey

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I welcome any recount. Every state, Dem and Republican, has denounced claims of any fraud already. As stated, the count will waver a couple of hundred either way with the recount, and hopefully put this to bed officially....if not for Trump and the MAGA sheep.
 

Asininedrivel

caviar connoisseur
Truth be told the fact its come down to states doing recounts is actually disconcerting...

The in-house fighting, backstabbing, resignations, shady deals, changes of allegiances within the Trump administration during a time of 'pandemic crisis' plus on top of chatter of a potential 25th Ammendment coup in the works doesn't bode well for democracy.

Not that Australia can talk, our government isn't any different so maybe it's just par for the course when power and control is involved.
Recounts aren't as scary as they seem, to my knowledge the results have just never been close enough to bother with one since 2000 (in Florida). Where it does get confusing is the margins. Some states have 0.5% (which is why Pennsylvania wasn't called for Biden until he passed that margin), others like Arizona have 0.1% which means even though Biden's lead is getting whittled down there'll be next to no chance of a recount.

Recounts are also expensive af - Wisconsin is asking the Republicans to chip in $6m to do one there as requested.

Also, our Government is VERY different to the USA's. If we had a Prime Minister behaving like Trump we'd have spilled him a looooong time ago. It's the Strayan way.
 

moorey

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Recounts aren't as scary as they seem, to my knowledge the results have just never been close enough to bother with one since 2000 (in Florida). Where it does get confusing is the margins. Some states have 0.5% (which is why Pennsylvania wasn't called for Biden until he passed that margin), others like Arizona have 0.1% which means even though Biden's lead is getting whittled down there'll be next to no chance of a recount.

Recounts are also expensive af - Wisconsin is asking the Republicans to chip in $6m to do one there as requested.

Also, our Government is VERY different to the USA's. If we had a Prime Minister behaving like Trump we'd have spilled him a looooong time ago. It's the Strayan way.
Also, 2000 was very different, with a tabulating machine missing 10’s of thousands of votes in Florida, and the whole ‘pregnant chad’ fiasco that made little sense to me then, and little more now.
 

downunderdallas

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Also, 2000 was very different, with a tabulating machine missing 10’s of thousands of votes in Florida, and the whole ‘pregnant chad’ fiasco that made little sense to me then, and little more now.
Wasn't it a hanging chad or am I remembering wrong?
 

B Rabbit

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Truth be told the fact its come down to states doing recounts is actually disconcerting...
It doesnt 'come down to' states doing recounts, its already decided, Trump has lost by such large margins no recount is going to change anything. it seems some people cant accept reality when it slaps them in the face once, so they need slapping again. But something tells me no amount of recounts/slaps will convince Trumpards that the most unpopular president in a long time who was behind in nearly every single poll for months leading up to this election actually lost fair and square........that alone is mind blowing!
And I do like how Ivanka tweeted out that Trump won Alaska after the AP called that race.....the same AP that called the presidential race in Bidens favour...hahaha
 
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