Cheers for the explanation Mark. Good luck with sorting the results out.At the end of the day though, results are what you need: we appologise it wasn't up to scratch, it should have run as smoothly as the other enduro's we time. An online debate probably won't achieve much, but the comments we've been reading are salient for us to read and do something about.
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I hope this does happen Russ... not that I like being precious... but it really annoys/amazes me when people continue to stand in front of a solo tent talking... when the solo rider is there trying to get back out on course! I hate asking them to "move please", I just wish they would do it themselves.Lots of things to be decided, and it will also be influenced by the number of entries.
But, I think it will be best if we have the Solos on one course and the Teams on another. That is easy to do at Stromlo and if you like to think of the 2007 and 2008 hourglass course concept, don't have them join and put the solos on red and the teams on blue. Remember, this is a concept - the actual courses might not be 100% the same as those popular tracks
This also means that all the riders on the solo course will be suffering equally, with no team riders to either help or hinder them.
Another big change will be the level of access in the Solo Pit Row. There will only be solo riders in there - so no teams at all, even if your team is "supporting" a solo rider. Access to the Solo Pit Row will also be much more controlled so only registered helpers, accredited media etc are allowed in. This is no different to previous World Solo 24Hr Champs.
yeah i did see it i had to go to actas.
but it sounded pretty baddas.
it was the big first jump yeah?
Pretty sure I told you that 50 is good, we try to achieve 45 metres and not go under 35, but anyhow ...When we ran the Forrest 6 Hour we contacted Russ and Snozza (Kona 24 hour) and asked what the "Duckworth-Lewis" equation is... they both told me that once you get under 45m per rider, then you should start to worry.
26.5 actually, which makes this our second "most crowded" race ever. Here are the average rider track spacings at CORC's 24 hour over the years. 2006 (25 metres) is remembered as particularly crowded. I have also attached a graph (but have lopped off the top of 1999 so the rest of the numbers show up better).From my quick calculations, the Scott 24 hour 2009 courses were something like 32m.
I'm sure we'll kick it around, but the above variables make it hard to set "rules". At the end of the day, the riders want an enjoyable experience, and there are enough 24 hour races out there to let market forces decide. But, there is still the problem that a first-timer might be put off the sport by a bad experience, and that needs to be avoided.In my opinion MTBA needs to step in here, and set some sort of benchmark. Both for rider safety and for track sustainability.
I'd like to state my respect for the guys for saying this. In this age of spin doctors and duck-n-cover, its nice to see people out there with big brass ones.Nice response Mous
Wasn't at the race (and was really sorry to have missed it), but I'll +1 on this. Just a pleasure to read that sort of measured, reasonable and humble response. Onyas.I'd like to state my respect for the guys for saying this. In this age of spin doctors and duck-n-cover, its nice to see people out there with big brass ones.
think I must have imagined that sweet green mojo on one of the early laps? must have been the mild concussionI got ripped off 2 laps (and I only did two). I had both chips, both times. I even said beep when I went through transition. I sent a message to castech from their website about it and got an error from that too and gave up after that. go figure.
Agree with most of your post, and even this last paragraph for a standard 24 hour, but without wanting to change this into the World Solo 24 Hour thread, next year the focus should be the soloists racing for a world title and there wont be any 24 hour first-timers in that field.I'm sure we'll kick it around, but the above variables make it hard to set "rules". At the end of the day, the riders want an enjoyable experience, and there are enough 24 hour races out there to let market forces decide. But, there is still the problem that a first-timer might be put off the sport by a bad experience, and that needs to be avoided.
Not trying to be a smart arse but do you care to expand on why you think this should be the case?next year the focus should be the soloists racing for a world title .
I suspect you'll find that CORC are considering running the 24hr team race in tandem with the Solo World Championships as means to offset the cost of staging the Solo Champs.Not trying to be a smart arse but do you care to expand on why you think this should be the case?
I am not a solo rider (although I will be giving up a team ride next year to support a mate going solo) but I just don't see why the team riders should be treated as 2nd class citizens because the World Champs are in town. Not the way I'd treat loyal customers.
Personally I'd be surprised (and I guess a little sad) if the world solos were all on a separate track... solo racing in amongst teams (someone to give you that 4am 'attaboy') is great.Not trying to be a smart arse but do you care to expand on why you think this should be the case?
I am not a solo rider (although I will be giving up a team ride next year to support a mate going solo) but I just don't see why the team riders should be treated as 2nd class citizens because the World Champs are in town. Not the way I'd treat loyal customers.
I dont think Corc has gone to all the trouble of securing the World Solo 24hr for a laugh of course its going to be their main focus.Not trying to be a smart arse but do you care to expand on why you think this should be the case?
I am not a solo rider (although I will be giving up a team ride next year to support a mate going solo) but I just don't see why the team riders should be treated as 2nd class citizens because the World Champs are in town. Not the way I'd treat loyal customers.
Problem: solved. The Solos can split off from the rest of the field by turning right up Cardiac Climb and run the UCI XCO Worlds course.There is a thing here that it is the world champs so the course designers should have the freedom to design for a field that has done at few 24hr races [...]
At Canmore, large parts of the track were shared but the world solos split into different, more technical singletrack that you probably wouldn't put in a std 24hr race
Not suggesting the Solo Champs shouldn't be a quality affair but what I am saying is that the team event should not be some half arsed effort out the back cause all the focus is on the World Champs.I dont think Corc has gone to all the trouble of securing the World Solo 24hr for a laugh of course its going to be their main focus.
Yeah, I was thinking as I posted this that perhaps I should shut up...Problem: solved. The Solos can split off from the rest of the field by turning right up Cardiac Climb and run the UCI XCO Worlds course.
That should separate the wheat from the chaff (and some acromions from their clavicles - sorry, bad anatomy joke).
Or someone in a Bundy Bear suit...I so gotta get me some "Bears in the area" signs for next year
Cheers
Gonz
Ah, so <i> that's </i>who I went out looking for. Got a cryptic message of an injured rider from the Scouts, off I went...i heard true dammaged his retina.. from a crash and was riding half blind for quite a while..
he was giving red racer a race,,,